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re: Didn't like the Hobby Lobby decision? Look at the follow up decisions
Posted on 7/4/14 at 6:33 pm to Scruffy
Posted on 7/4/14 at 6:33 pm to Scruffy
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I did. You were responding to my question, "why can't they go to an another insurance company?".
You did not answer my question at all. You merely stated that the insurance companies are in collusion, like cartels. That does not prevent a person from going to another health insurance company which offers a plan covering all the types of BC.
I was responding to you responding to this
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As for freely contracting with insurance companies, you failed to mention that the individual doesn't have this great bargaining power to "freely" contract. Your love for the free market ignores the realities therein, the ones that the corporations do not tolerate a la carte contracts, as you are suggesting.
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Posted on 7/4/14 at 6:34 pm to Draconian Sanctions
quote:Each "boiler plate contract" being totally different, both in cost and coverage . . . along with the possibility of both HSA and or self-insurance. Those options are now gone!
not really. You had companies A, B and C...all of whom forced you into their terms under their boiler plate contract.
Posted on 7/4/14 at 6:35 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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I don't like Democrats but at least they appoint good SCOTUS justices.
Considering they're willing to subvert the 2nd amendment through jurisprudence and other sleazy means and not through the procedure of amending the constitution, and Sotamayor's shrill diatribe in the voting rights case, I don't think so.
Posted on 7/4/14 at 6:36 pm to wfeliciana
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wfeliciana
Whose shitty alter are you? Seriously.
Posted on 7/4/14 at 6:36 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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So when it's your opinion, it's "what's right" and when it's my opinion I'm "lying"
got it
No, you're just a liar. If you have been critical of the ACA, then you should be standing up and applauding the SCOTUS ruling. Liar
Posted on 7/4/14 at 6:37 pm to NC_Tigah
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Each "boiler plate contract" being totally different
there were different tiers for different types of coverage but within those tiers there was not much of a difference between each company. As an individual none of those companies allowed me to negotiate my own rate outside their terms. The company and the individual are at two very different starting points.
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Those options are now gone!
I am not defending the ACA. The big insurance companies have now made sure they can force a lot of their competitors out of business, then force everyone into their largest plans.
Posted on 7/4/14 at 6:38 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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If you have been critical of the ACA, then you should be standing up and applauding the SCOTUS ruling
Are you drunk??
just because i don't like the ACA that doesn't mean I think companies should be able to use religion to circumvent the law and harm their employees in the process.
This post was edited on 7/4/14 at 6:39 pm
Posted on 7/4/14 at 6:48 pm to Draconian Sanctions
quote:I don't know what planet you were living on prior to the ACA, but coverage, PPNs, and costs varied greatly between companies.
there were different tiers for different types of coverage but within those tiers there was not much of a difference between each company
quote:You could have incorporated, self-insured, and negotiated your rates every day and twice on Sunday.
As an individual none of those companies allowed me to negotiate my own rate outside their terms.
quote:They are indeed.
The company and the individual are at two very different starting points.
The ACA sees to it that individuals in the exchange are often offered little more than medicaid-equivalency. Corporations . . . not so much.
Was not the case before. Individuals and corporations received the same quality of coverage/plan.
Posted on 7/4/14 at 6:53 pm to Draconian Sanctions
quote:Big insurance companies did not pass Obamacare.
The big insurance companies have now made sure they can force a lot of their competitors out of business, then force everyone into their largest plans.
They did not campaign on Obamacare.
They did not push for Obamacare.
Once Obamacare was inevitable, and insurance companies realized how befuddled and thoroughly incompetent the lawmakers designing it were, insurance companies determined to influence it in their favor.
Posted on 7/4/14 at 6:57 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Hobby Lobby is imposing their religious views on employees who may not share them. Hobby Lobby's right to swing their arms ends as soon as it reaches an employee's nose.
This is completely nonsensical.
There is no right to healthcare. There is no right to health insurance. There is no right to contraception. There is no right to abortifacients.
The Court correctly decided that the government cannot force Hobby Lobby to provide abortifacients to its employees because it violates the Free Exercise Clause. The employees are not prevented from purchasing these items are their own.
No one's rights are currently being violated. This case is about Hobby Lobby's rights. Not non-existent rights for their employees.
Posted on 7/4/14 at 7:02 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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our country will continue to look more and more like an Oligarchy
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All this does is make me get behind Hillary 2016
World class stuff right there, bravo.
Posted on 7/4/14 at 7:02 pm to casualobserver
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When I read these broad statements and remember you are a lawyer, I am astounded. What happened to the right to life, liberty, and property, and not being denied these without due process of law? Property rights include these entitlements for which you show so much disdain.
There is so much wrong with the paragraph.
There was never an issue of the rights of the employees of Hobby Lobby because they possessed to rights to the abortifacients.
Second, what do you think due process is? This case went all the way through the Supreme Court. That's the extent of the process this country has.
Posted on 7/4/14 at 7:06 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Hobby Lobby is imposing their religious views on employees who may not share them.
Then don't work for Hobby Lobby, for frick's sake. They aren't imposing their view on anyone. There are no rights to a job, and no one is forcing them to work there.
If that bullshite law wasn't manipulated through Congress this wouldn't be an argument.
Posted on 7/4/14 at 7:06 pm to wfeliciana
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The latest ruling allows Wheaton College to skirt ObamaCare's contraceptive provisions as long as the evangelical school informs the government of its religious objections to providing its staff and students with any type of birth control.
I'm not sure that this is an accurate summation of what actually happened. Wheaton covers contraceptives, I believe. They just don't have to fill out a form.
Posted on 7/4/14 at 7:07 pm to Antonio Moss
quote:Worth repeating
Antonio Moss
Posted on 7/4/14 at 7:08 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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our country will continue to look more and more like an Oligarchy (or maybe now a Theocracy)
What a drama queen you are.
Posted on 7/4/14 at 7:08 pm to wfeliciana
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Well right now they have the right to insurance that covers viagra and vasectomies.
Can you name a company that covers Viagra and vasectomies that does not cover contraceptives?
Posted on 7/4/14 at 7:09 pm to casualobserver
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Property rights include these entitlements for which you show so much disdain.
Posted on 7/4/14 at 7:12 pm to wfeliciana
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Well right now they have the right to insurance that covers viagra and vasectomies.
Hobby Lobby covers birth control pills. Why is that difficult to understand?
Posted on 7/4/14 at 7:17 pm to Jake88
quote:wfeliciana trolled his/her/its OP, then left the thread hours ago. He/she/it won't return. No reason to respond to wfeliciana posts here.
Hobby Lobby covers birth control pills. Why is that difficult to understand?
This post was edited on 7/4/14 at 7:19 pm
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