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re: Didn't like the Hobby Lobby decision? Look at the follow up decisions

Posted on 7/4/14 at 6:16 pm to
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 7/4/14 at 6:16 pm to
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You may think so, but I can assure you you have not succeeded.


just because you don't want to hear it, that doesn't mean i didn't explain it.
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 7/4/14 at 6:17 pm to
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Property rights include these entitlements for which you show so much disdain
Property is something that you own. An entitlement is something that you don't own but believe you are owed.
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you failed to mention that the individual doesn't have this great bargaining power to "freely" contract.
You serious? So, an individual cannot freely contract with an insurance company? Is that your stance?
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the ones that the corporations do not tolerate a la carte contracts, as you are suggesting.
Why can't they go outside that insurance company?
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 7/4/14 at 6:18 pm to
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Why can't they go outside that insurance company?


because the insurance industry, like many industries these days, are little more than cartels who collude to suppress consumer options via right wing policies and crony capitalism.
Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 7/4/14 at 6:20 pm to
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Property rights include these entitlements for which you show so much disdain


Nice leap of logic.
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
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Posted on 7/4/14 at 6:20 pm to
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because the insurance industry, like many industries these days, are little more than cartels who collude to suppress consumer options via right wing policies and crony capitalism.
That does not explain why they can't go to another health insurance company.

Also, you, through your support of the ACA, gave those crony capitalistic insurance companies even more power.

Did you not pay attention to the ACA at all?
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 7/4/14 at 6:22 pm to
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That does not explain why they can't go to another health insurance company.


It does explain it actually

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Also, you, through your support of the ACA, gave those crony capitalistic insurance companies even more power.

Did you not pay attention to the ACA at all?



Who says I support the ACA???
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 7/4/14 at 6:25 pm to
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It does explain it actually
Are you seriously stating that under no circumstances, AT ALL, an individual cannot purchase a private plan with another company?
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Who says I support the ACA???
Are you saying that you oppose it?
Posted by TK421
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2011
10411 posts
Posted on 7/4/14 at 6:25 pm to
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because the insurance industry, like many industries these days, are little more than cartels who collude to suppress consumer options via right wing policies and crony capitalism.



I didn't realize the new, giant, government bureaucracy that is handing insurance companies millions in additional profits was the idea of conservatives.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 7/4/14 at 6:26 pm to
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Are you seriously stating that under no circumstances, AT ALL, an individual cannot purchase a private plan with another company?


go back and read what i was saying and you were responding to again

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Are you saying that you oppose it?


yes, i have been very critical of the ACA on here.

You need to understand that just because conservatives are my enemy, that doesn't make Obama or the Democrats my friend.
This post was edited on 7/4/14 at 6:29 pm
Posted by casualobserver
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2011
144 posts
Posted on 7/4/14 at 6:27 pm to
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Property is something that you own. An entitlement is something that you don't own but believe you are owed.


You just overruled the SCOTUS, congratulations. Another example of why it is important to understand the issues before speaking (or posting).
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Member since Oct 2008
84947 posts
Posted on 7/4/14 at 6:27 pm to
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I didn't realize the new, giant, government bureaucracy that is handing insurance companies millions in additional profits was the idea of conservatives.


that's why i said and crony capitalism
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 7/4/14 at 6:28 pm to
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As for freely contracting with insurance companies, you failed to mention that the individual doesn't have this great bargaining power to "freely" contract
What?!
The individual may not now, but he certainly did prior to the ACA.
Posted by TK421
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2011
10411 posts
Posted on 7/4/14 at 6:29 pm to
Which democrats, especially ones like Hillary, love.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 7/4/14 at 6:30 pm to
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The individual may not now, but he certainly did prior to the ACA.


not really. You had companies A, B and C...all of whom forced you into their terms under their boiler plate contract.
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 7/4/14 at 6:30 pm to
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If all you care about is your side "winning" then congrats


I care about what's right, not winning.

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personally I care about, you know, the well being of the country.



This is obviously a lie.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 7/4/14 at 6:31 pm to
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Which democrats, especially ones like Hillary, love.


and so do republicans, when it suits them.

at least democrats are decent on social issues and will appoint SCOTUS justices i like.
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
72363 posts
Posted on 7/4/14 at 6:31 pm to
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go back and read what i was saying and responding to again
I did. You were responding to my question, "why can't they go to an another insurance company?".

You did not answer my question at all. You merely stated that the insurance companies are in collusion, like cartels. That does not prevent a person from going to another health insurance company which offers a plan covering all the types of BC.
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You need to understand that just because conservatives are my enemy, that doesn't make Obama or the Democrats my friend.
Well, your "friends" are as bad for the rest of us as your enemies.
This post was edited on 7/4/14 at 6:32 pm
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
124547 posts
Posted on 7/4/14 at 6:31 pm to
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It does explain it actually
Only in the most naive anticapitalist terms.
This post was edited on 7/4/14 at 6:32 pm
Posted by Sentrius
Fort Rozz
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 7/4/14 at 6:31 pm to
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Property rights include these entitlements for which you show so much disdain.


Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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84947 posts
Posted on 7/4/14 at 6:31 pm to
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I care about what's right, not winning.


So when it's your opinion, it's "what's right" and when it's my opinion I'm "lying"

got it
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