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Posted on 6/24/14 at 9:48 am to
Posted by Rev1897
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Posted on 6/24/14 at 9:48 am to
I like Ryno to GSW but Barnes is not enough... would love a pick (which they don't have) ... Maybe Green and Ezeli too?
Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
9802 posts
Posted on 6/24/14 at 9:50 am to
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Aminu is considerably better.


I think you are trolling me a bit. Turner has shown flashes. He has great skills and a ton of talent. I can't think of anything Aminu is better at then Turner. If he was put in the right system, I think he could turn out to be a solid starter. He isn't a star, but we don't need all stars..
Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
9634 posts
Posted on 6/24/14 at 10:02 am to
No troll. I take Aminu every time over Turner if those are my SF options.

Turner can't shoot, create, rebound or defend very well. Plus he needs the ball in his hands. Aminu can at least rebound and defend at acceptable levels. Neither guy is the answer, but Turner is living off college hype.
Posted by Peliclown
Member since Nov 2013
2480 posts
Posted on 6/24/14 at 10:02 am to
AD is working on that three you didn't hear? Soon enough he's gonna be that stretch 4... In the meantime Eric Gordon needs to get his head out of his arse and knock down the 3 ball.
Posted by Peliclown
Member since Nov 2013
2480 posts
Posted on 6/24/14 at 10:03 am to
I was about to say... I'm satisfied with neither. They both suck
Posted by LosLobos111
Austere
Member since Feb 2011
45385 posts
Posted on 6/24/14 at 10:10 am to
He would've shown more than flashes by now in nearly 5 years in the league.

Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
9802 posts
Posted on 6/24/14 at 10:15 am to
quote:

Turner can't shoot, create, rebound or defend very well. Plus he needs the ball in his hands. Aminu can at least rebound and defend at acceptable levels. Neither guy is the answer, but Turner is living off college hype.


The numbers just don't bear that out. Turner rebounds just as well as Aminu. He shoots better and is a good passer for his position. In the right system, he can be a really solid player. Aminu is just an undersized PF. I actually think he can be a good contributor, but he isn't a fit with Davis..
Posted by Peliclown
Member since Nov 2013
2480 posts
Posted on 6/24/14 at 10:18 am to
Comparing him to aminu is saying/proving nothing. Neither player should even be considered.
Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
9802 posts
Posted on 6/24/14 at 10:24 am to
quote:

Comparing him to aminu is saying/proving nothing. Neither player should even be considered.


There aren't a ton of options at SF. If we move Gordon, that puts Evans at SG. So we'd have to find a player. Turner was a nice piece for the Sixers during their playoff runs. As the 4th option, he could be a nice player. I'm not dumping on the guy. His talent is obvious. Just need the right coach to bring it out..
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61530 posts
Posted on 6/24/14 at 10:25 am to
quote:

Turner rebounds just as well as Aminu.


If by just as well you mean 25% worse.

Per 36 and TRB% career numbers
Aminu 8.5 13.9%
Turner 6.5 10.2%

quote:

He shoots better


If by better you mean worse

Career FG%
Aminu 44.2%
Turner 42.7%

Now Turner does shoot outside of 3 feet better than Aminu, but neither is good enough to be considered a good shooter outside of finishing at the rim, which both do at 60% or better.

quote:

is a good passer for his position.


So you have a wing who's 2 biggest skills are finishing at the rim and passing. Like I said, with Tyreke on the roster there isn't really room for Turner unless he comes really cheap.
Posted by LosLobos111
Austere
Member since Feb 2011
45385 posts
Posted on 6/24/14 at 10:25 am to
quote:

Turner rebounds just as well as Aminu.


Aminu is a much better rounder

9.0 rebounds per 36 last 3 years

Turner: 6.5 rebounds per 36

quote:

He shoots better


Not by much

quote:

good passer for his position


3.0 assists is pretty mediocre for a guy that was supposed to be a Triple Double threat.






Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
9634 posts
Posted on 6/24/14 at 10:30 am to
quote:

The numbers just don't bear that out. Turner rebounds just as well as Aminu. He shoots better and is a good passer for his position


My turn to ask, you trolling? I have no idea what numbers you're looking at (for rebounds especially), but I suspect you're just looking at per game. That is incredibly flawed.

Here's a good place to start for better stats
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61530 posts
Posted on 6/24/14 at 10:32 am to
quote:

Sources say the Rockets, meanwhile, have begun working on trade exits for center Omer Asik and point guard Jeremy Lin to clear enough space under the salary cap to make a representative offer to Anthony. The Rockets have been confident for some time, sources say, that they can not only move both players if necessary in deals that create the requisite flexibility but also rival the Bulls' sales pitch.

LINK
Posted by LosLobos111
Austere
Member since Feb 2011
45385 posts
Posted on 6/24/14 at 10:35 am to
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There aren't a ton of options at SF. If we move Gordon, that puts Evans at SG. So we'd have to find a player. Turner was a nice piece for the Sixers during their playoff runs. As the 4th option, he could be a nice player. I'm not dumping on the guy. His talent is obvious. Just need the right coach to bring it out..


Oh I agree we need a guy but there's guys out there that would fit this team better(Ariza/marvin williams/hamilton/tucker)
Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
9802 posts
Posted on 6/24/14 at 10:39 am to
I wouldn't touch Ariza. We paid how much to get rid of him and Okafor (12M?)? Then we are going to re-sign him and give him a fat contract? That is a slap in the face and just puts another nail in Demp's coffin. All of those guys have faults as well. I'm not saying Turner is the answer. I just wouldn't hate picking him up in a dump of Gordon. Kind of kills two birds with one store (Gordon is gone and we get a young SF with some upside)..
Posted by htran90
BC
Member since Dec 2012
30112 posts
Posted on 6/24/14 at 10:40 am to
Turner (using his philly #s last year before his trade)
.504 TS%
9.2 TRB%
17.7 AST%
13.2 PER
97 ortg
111 drtg

Aminu
.516 TS%
14.1 TRB%
8.4 AST%
13.2 PER
105 ortg
108 drtg

they both suck, but turner is vastly overrated because he averaged 17ppg on 42.8% shooting
Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
9802 posts
Posted on 6/24/14 at 10:42 am to
What is the cap hit to take on each one? Isn't it like 8M a piece, but you have to pay them 15M? I think that was how it worked out..

Supposedly, the Rockets are offering their 1st round pick to whoever takes Asik, Lin or both for a future 1st round pick.. Not a bad deal for the really wealthy teams in the league..
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61530 posts
Posted on 6/24/14 at 10:44 am to
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I just wouldn't hate picking him up in a dump of Gordon. Kind of kills two birds with one store (Gordon is gone and we get a young SF with some upside)..


But keeping Turner also kills the cap space you hope to get by moving Gordon. If you let Turner walk, keep Copeland and Allen for $6 million total, cut ties with everyone cutable but Withey and Ajinca, you have $16 million in cap space to sign LeBron to fill the SF spot. If LeBron wants $19 you let Lavoy Allen go too.

Holiday
Tyreke
LeBron
Ryno
AD
This post was edited on 6/24/14 at 10:46 am
Posted by LosLobos111
Austere
Member since Feb 2011
45385 posts
Posted on 6/24/14 at 10:47 am to
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I wouldn't touch Ariza. We paid how much to get rid of him and Okafor (12M?)? Then we are going to re-sign him and give him a fat contract? That is a slap in the face and just puts another nail in Demp's coffin.


He wouldn't require a "fat" contract. He's pretty much what the team needs now(a 3+D SF). What other horrible moves have demps done to put nails in his coffin?(Sans EG because that move wasn't totally up to him imo.)

quote:

All of those guys have faults as well. I'm not saying Turner is the answer. I just wouldn't hate picking him up in a dump of Gordon. Kind of kills two birds with one store (Gordon is gone and we get a young SF with some upside)..


Of course they have faults but they'd be cheap and effective. It's doubtful they'd take EG tbh.

He's going around the deadline when he's basically an expiring(my prediction)
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61530 posts
Posted on 6/24/14 at 10:48 am to
quote:

What is the cap hit to take on each one? Isn't it like 8M a piece, but you have to pay them 15M? I think that was how it worked out..


Correct. But they don't want anything back so there aren't too many teams that can accommodate them. Philly supposedly has had interest in Asik in the past.
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