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Rand Paul nails it on Iraq then & now

Posted on 6/19/14 at 7:35 pm
Posted by pleading the fifth
Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 6/19/14 at 7:35 pm
Excerpt from WSJ:

quote:

Saying the mess in Iraq is President Obama's fault ignores what President Bush did wrong. Saying it is President Bush's fault is to ignore all the horrible foreign policy decisions in Syria, Libya, Egypt and elsewhere under President Obama, many of which may have contributed to the current crisis in Iraq. For former Bush officials to blame President Obama or for Democrats to blame President Bush only serves as a reminder that both sides continue to get foreign policy wrong. We need a new approach, one that emulates Reagan's policies, puts America first, seeks peace, faces war reluctantly, and when necessary acts fully and decisively. Too many in Washington are prevented by their own pride from admitting their mistakes. They are more concerned about saving face or pursuing a rigid ideology than they are with constructing a realist foreign policy.


Rest of op-ed: LINK
Posted by 4LSU2
Member since Dec 2009
37366 posts
Posted on 6/19/14 at 7:41 pm to
This certainly sounds like a man that truly gets it, but we heard the same song and dance from Obama during his campaign in 2008. Everything he campaigned on has been a complete lie.
Posted by TT9
Global warming
Member since Sep 2008
82952 posts
Posted on 6/19/14 at 7:42 pm to
He's spot on.
Posted by LSUGrrrl
Frisco, TX
Member since Jul 2007
33534 posts
Posted on 6/19/14 at 7:44 pm to
They are more concerned d with getting re-elected and gaining/holding on to power to admit their mistakes.
Posted by genuineLSUtiger
Nashville
Member since Sep 2005
73134 posts
Posted on 6/19/14 at 7:44 pm to
I just have a hard time trusting any of these clowns. Although RP would get my vote if he ran.
Posted by trackfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
19691 posts
Posted on 6/19/14 at 7:45 pm to
He was doing good until he held up Reagan as an example to be emulated, lest we forget his Mideast screw-ups. IMO, Bush 41 was the best foreign policy President in my lifetime, both in the Mideast and elsewhere.
Posted by JuiceTerry
Roond the Scheme
Member since Apr 2013
40868 posts
Posted on 6/19/14 at 10:25 pm to
quote:

We need a new approach,
quote:

puts America first, seeks peace, faces war reluctantly, and when necessary acts fully and decisively.
Sounds like every other politician trying to win an election. I guarantee I could find a clip of Obama saying the same thing, essentially.
Posted by Sleeping Tiger
Member since Sep 2013
8488 posts
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:07 pm to
Ron nailed it for a long long time too.

Unfortunately it wasn't trendy to like him at the time.
Posted by John McClane
Member since Apr 2010
36728 posts
Posted on 6/20/14 at 12:21 am to
I fricking love this guy. I just hope people show up and support him
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
98443 posts
Posted on 6/20/14 at 6:11 am to
I heard a pundit the other day say Cheney's PR offensive on Iraq is really aimed at Rand.
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
Premium Member
Member since Jan 2005
71586 posts
Posted on 6/20/14 at 6:29 am to
quote:

For former Bush officials to blame President Obama or for Democrats to blame President Bush only serves as a reminder that both sides continue to get foreign policy wrong.


Same goes for domestic policy.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
50985 posts
Posted on 6/20/14 at 6:46 am to
He got it right for sure.
Posted by TigerPride10
Member since Jul 2007
10356 posts
Posted on 6/20/14 at 6:53 am to
quote:

Saying the mess in Iraq is President Obama's fault ignores what President Bush did wrong. Saying it is President Bush's fault is to ignore all the horrible foreign policy decisions in Syria, Libya, Egypt and elsewhere under President Obama, many of which may have contributed to the current crisis in Iraq. For former Bush officials to blame President Obama or for Democrats to blame President Bush only serves as a reminder that both sides continue to get foreign policy wrong. We need a new approach, one that emulates Reagan's policies, puts America first, seeks peace, faces war reluctantly, and when necessary acts fully and decisively. Too many in Washington are prevented by their own pride from admitting their mistakes. They are more concerned about saving face or pursuing a rigid ideology than they are with constructing a realist foreign policy.


I like the guy, but this doesn't really tell us anything of substance.

It's one thing to put realism on a pedestal, it's another thing entirely to define what that means to a populace that really doesn't want to hear that the United States is not really some benevolent hegemony, but rather acts in its own self-interest just like any other nation-state.

FWIW -- most scholars consider Reagan an idealist in terms of his approach to foreign policy.
This post was edited on 6/20/14 at 6:54 am
Posted by Tchefuncte Tiger
Bat'n Rudge
Member since Oct 2004
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Posted on 6/20/14 at 7:25 am to
Is there any way we can read the op-ed w/o subscribing?
Posted by McLemore
Member since Dec 2003
31581 posts
Posted on 6/20/14 at 7:42 am to
link to WSJ free-pass version (worked when i linked it)

LINK
Posted by Rex
Here, there, and nowhere
Member since Sep 2004
66001 posts
Posted on 6/20/14 at 7:51 am to
quote:

We need a new approach, one that emulates Reagan's policies, puts America first, seeks peace, faces war reluctantly, and when necessary acts fully and decisively. 

Gee, that's so SPECIFIC and everything. What a little political genius.
Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
35063 posts
Posted on 6/20/14 at 8:21 am to
Islamism is on the march; we can fight them over there where they establish bases for military expansion and train to attack us...or we can let them take the whole ME, establish their Caliphate and play our cards then.

Reagan bombed Quadaffi's HOUSE. Killed some of his family. What did Q do? He shut down the aggression.

From Regan to Bush to Obama and to Paul or WHOMEVER will deal with Muhammad's Islamism, it's going to be either bow to their Theocracy, or reject it. And if we reject it...they'll have to be killed; and done so while they hide amongst their families. It's no more complex than that.

Paul and his Daddy or Obama can run, but neither he - nor any leader sworn to protect our Freedom - can long hide. Either we shoot or we don't. Sooner or later. Drones/smart bombs now...nukes later. Pick your poison.

Earth 2014.
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