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Open Carry vs. Stand Your Ground...
Posted on 6/19/14 at 12:09 pm
Posted on 6/19/14 at 12:09 pm
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The video isn't that important to the thread; watch it if you want. It's a Jon Stewart bit on something I sort of mentioned a while back. If I see some arse hat walking into a store with an AK, I'm going to draw my Glock or Walther (whichever I'm concealed carrying) and at least make sure the dude declares his intentions or drops his weapon. What if I don't? He comes in and kills everyone? What if I do? He fires because I drew my weapon on him? If he's reasonable, he'll get it, but we almost all agree that this dude isn't reasonable.
I'm put in an impossible situation with this. Open carrying into public places shouldn't be illegal. I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is if I'm in 7/11 with my nephew and one of these dudes decides he'd like to walk in with his AK on his back, it is impossible for me to know what he plans on doing and it's entirely reasonable for me, as a thinking person, to assume that he's not there just for some cookies or something. I should be free to fire in states where Stand Your Ground is in effect.
Am I crazy here, or does this make at least a certain amount of sense?
The video isn't that important to the thread; watch it if you want. It's a Jon Stewart bit on something I sort of mentioned a while back. If I see some arse hat walking into a store with an AK, I'm going to draw my Glock or Walther (whichever I'm concealed carrying) and at least make sure the dude declares his intentions or drops his weapon. What if I don't? He comes in and kills everyone? What if I do? He fires because I drew my weapon on him? If he's reasonable, he'll get it, but we almost all agree that this dude isn't reasonable.
I'm put in an impossible situation with this. Open carrying into public places shouldn't be illegal. I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is if I'm in 7/11 with my nephew and one of these dudes decides he'd like to walk in with his AK on his back, it is impossible for me to know what he plans on doing and it's entirely reasonable for me, as a thinking person, to assume that he's not there just for some cookies or something. I should be free to fire in states where Stand Your Ground is in effect.
Am I crazy here, or does this make at least a certain amount of sense?
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Posted on 6/19/14 at 12:13 pm to FT
Well, at least in Florida, here's your answer:
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A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.
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Posted on 6/19/14 at 12:14 pm to FT
if he came in to do harm it would NOT be strapped on his back. Thats obvious
Posted on 6/19/14 at 12:21 pm to FT
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I should be free to fire in states where Stand Your Ground is in effect.
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Am I crazy here, or does this make at least a certain amount of sense?
You are crazy if you think someone carrying a firearm gives you grounds to fire your weapon.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 12:22 pm to FT
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Am I crazy here, or does this make at least a certain amount of sense?
You more scared of a rifle slung, muzzle down across a back than a hidden pocket .32 or revolver on which ole boy might have his finger on the trigger and pointed at you?
Yes, some mass shooters open carry during the early stages. But the proportion of bad folks walking around armed, both illegally in possession and illegally concealing versus a legitimate bad guy with a rifle in the first instance is so great as this doesn't even warrant a whole lot of discussion.
If I have an open carry sidearm, do you draw on me and make me declare my intentions? If there ends up being a gunfight, I think the law would decide you started it in that case.
Now, if one of these youngsters who are trying to make a statement (their hearts in the right place, but their brains are not fully engaged - comes with youth) walks in port arms, finger on the trigger and starts sweeping the area with the muzzle - if they catch a bullet from a nervous citizen - it will be a tragedy, but one the rifle carrier could have avoided.
Did we just straight up collectively lose our common sense as a country in the '70s and '80s? Am I partially responsible for that?
This post was edited on 6/19/14 at 12:23 pm
Posted on 6/19/14 at 12:26 pm to FT
People who say they are open carrying long guns "for defense" are full of shite. I have no problem with open carrying pistols but open carrying long guns makes the gun-owning population look bad. These guys think they're displaying their rights but they are really intimidating innocent people.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 2:02 pm to FT
With this same line of reasoning...
What if I am in the store and I notice that you have what looks like a glock tucked away, would you think I would have reason to believe you were about to rob the store?
What if I am in the store and I notice that you have what looks like a glock tucked away, would you think I would have reason to believe you were about to rob the store?
Posted on 6/19/14 at 5:33 pm to FT
Justice would be served by another CCW holder gunning you down for an unprovoked attack. You'd be crazy, dead, and the world would be better off.
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