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re: Government has rotten email systems, IRS loses more emails of 6
Posted on 6/17/14 at 4:02 pm to KeyserSoze999
Posted on 6/17/14 at 4:02 pm to KeyserSoze999
If only there was a program/system to back-up a computers information. Maybe I'm just dreaming, but I think one day we will have this ability.
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Posted on 6/17/14 at 4:09 pm to Asgard Device
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Do you really think the state of Louisiana could retrieve emails from 2011? frick no.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 4:14 pm to KeyserSoze999
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1.10.3.2.3 (07-08-2011)
Emails as Possible Federal Records
All federal employees and federal contractors are required by law to preserve records containing adequate and proper documentation of the organization, functions, policies, decisions, procedures, and essential transactions of the agency. Records must be properly stored and preserved, available for retrieval and subject to appropriate approved disposition schedules.
The Federal Records Act applies to email records just as it does to records you create using other media. Emails are records when they are:
Created or received in the transaction of agency business
Appropriate for preservation as evidence of the government’s function and activities, or
Valuable because of the information they contain
If you create or receive email messages during the course of your daily work, you are responsible for ensuring that you manage them properly. The Treasury Department’s current email policy requires emails and attachments that meet the definition of a federal record be added to the organization’s files by printing them (including the essential transmission data) and filing them with related paper records. If transmission and receipt data are not printed by the email system, annotate the paper copy. More information on IRS records management requirements is available at https://erc.web.irs.gov/Displayanswers/Question.asp?FolderID=4&CategoryID=5 or see the Records Management Handbook, IRM 1.15.1 https://publish.no.irs.gov/IRM/P01/PDF/31421A03.PDF).
An email determined to be a federal record may eventually be considered as having historical value by the National Archivist prior to disposal. Therefore, ensure that all your communications are professional in tone.
Please note that maintaining a copy of an email or its attachments within the IRS email MS Outlook application does not meet the requirements of maintaining an official record. Therefore, print and file email and its attachments if they are either permanent records or if they relate to a specific case.
This from the IRS website... Linky
This post was edited on 6/17/14 at 4:17 pm
Posted on 6/17/14 at 4:17 pm to KeyserSoze999
Posted on 6/17/14 at 4:21 pm to pistolpete23
Posted on 6/17/14 at 5:02 pm to Bard
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It depends on the agency and the circumstance of the crash, but in 99.999% of the cases it can be done by any state agency. When the question becomes could you get emails from 2011 for any of 7 different users, that chance moved to 100%. And that's with state systems not being anywhere close to the level of funding of the IRS'.
Wrong. Most Louisiana state agencies do not have mail from 2011. Ran into that problem during a public records request spanning multiple agencies for mail from 2012 and they said they didn't go back that far.
This post was edited on 6/17/14 at 6:25 pm
Posted on 6/17/14 at 6:12 pm to Godfather1
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Substitute "Nixon" where you have "Obama", and we're where we were at 42 years ago to this day.
"What did the President know, and when did he know it?" would be the pertinent question.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 6:29 pm to Asgard Device
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Ran into that problem during a public records request spanning multiple agencies for mail from 2012 and they said they didn't go back that far.
TA?
Posted on 6/17/14 at 6:33 pm to SG_Geaux
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I do IT work for a living. They are 100% straight up lying.
You have never worked in federal IT then. I have seen them and you'd be shocked at how bad it is.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 9:28 pm to Asgard Device
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Wrong. Most Louisiana state agencies do not have mail from 2011. Ran into that problem during a public records request spanning multiple agencies for mail from 2012 and they said they didn't go back that far.
Which agencies?
Posted on 6/17/14 at 9:32 pm to foshizzle
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You have never worked in federal IT then. I have seen them and you'd be shocked at how bad it is.
I think it depends on where you are. I have some friends that work in a federal agency here and they have to bribe their IT guys with chocolate, cookies, etc in order to get anything done. Apparently their procedure is to submit a ticket to their agency's main IT office in Virginia (I think), which then gets reviewed and sent back to the IT team here. I've been told that just getting a ticket back down here can take a week.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 7:59 am to Asgard Device
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Wrong. Most Louisiana state agencies do not have mail from 2011. Ran into that problem during a public records request spanning multiple agencies for mail from 2012 and they said they didn't go back that far.
you're full of shite
Posted on 6/18/14 at 8:08 am to KeyserSoze999
Such bullshite. They need to investigate every aspect of this cluster-cuss.
My company purges email after 6 months claiming it's "frees up storage". L to the OL - we are a technology company. We don't need to "free up any storage" and we haven't since the 1990s. They don't want to keep the emails. They don't want the evidence. If you don't have the emails, you don't have proof.
This whole IRS deal IS a big scandal and it trumps all the other b.s. you guys go on and on about.
My company purges email after 6 months claiming it's "frees up storage". L to the OL - we are a technology company. We don't need to "free up any storage" and we haven't since the 1990s. They don't want to keep the emails. They don't want the evidence. If you don't have the emails, you don't have proof.
This whole IRS deal IS a big scandal and it trumps all the other b.s. you guys go on and on about.
This post was edited on 6/18/14 at 8:10 am
Posted on 6/18/14 at 8:13 am to a want
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This whole IRS deal IS a big scandal
So now it's a scandal? Like a real scandal??? Not a Faux scandal?
Posted on 6/18/14 at 8:13 am to a want
quote:Truth.
This whole IRS deal IS a big scandal and it trumps all the other b.s. you guys go on and on about.
The chances of one computer crashing and the emails being COMPLETELY lost is already slim, but to claim that 6 others that were supposedly involved crashed completely as well is complete BS.
The chances of that happening are astronomical.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 8:14 am to Asgard Device
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Most Louisiana state agencies do not have mail from 2011. Ran into that problem during a public records request spanning multiple agencies for mail from 2012 and they said they didn't go back that far.
Uh huh.
You, my friend, were being given what is known as the runaround.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 10:07 am to Choctaw
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you're full of shite
Nope. The state's consolidated email system was keeping deleted email for only 30 days up until around a year ago. This is fact.
You don't know what you're talking about.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 10:11 am to KeyserSoze999
Didn't Nixon get run out of office for a similar cover up? Yet none of the main media tards seems to give a shite about this. This administration is a pathetic group of humans. I hope they all die slow miserable deaths.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 11:03 am to Asgard Device
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The state's consolidated email system was keeping deleted email for only 30 days up until around a year ago.
I'll ask around about that, but those would only be DOA agencies. Agencies that are led by elected officials (Insurance, Sec, etc) have their own IT shops and their own email systems.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 11:09 am to mkibod1
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Didn't Nixon get run out of office for a similar cover up?
From Article 2 of the Watergate Articles of Impeachment
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1. He has, acting personally and through his subordinates and agents, endeavoured to obtain from the Internal Revenue Service, in violation of the constitutional rights of citizens, confidential information contained in income tax returns for purposed not authorized by law, and to cause, in violation of the constitutional rights of citizens, income tax audits or other income tax investigations to be intitiated or conducted in a discriminatory manner.
2. He misused the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the Secret Service, and other executive personnel, in violation or disregard of the constitutional rights of citizens, by directing or authorizing such agencies or personnel to conduct or continue electronic surveillance or other investigations for purposes unrelated to national security, the enforcement of laws, or any other lawful function of his office; he did direct, authorize, or permit the use of information obtained thereby for purposes unrelated to national security, the enforcement of laws, or any other lawful function of his office; and he did direct the concealment of certain records made by the Federal Bureau of Investigation of electronic surveillance.
Sound familiar?
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