re: *OFFICIAL* Fringe M/TV Board rewatch thread (current episodes discussion p. 60)

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This was one of my favorite scenes in the series

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White Tulip is probably my favorite episode. It ties together so perfectly and the sci-fi of it all is way over the top (seeing how much he has modified his body is just creepy).

Love the cameo of a particular Continuum character outside of the train

Better late than never......

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And so it begins...

Peter



So glad they moved right into the Peter backstory. No filler between Olivia seeing AltPeter's aura.


Real nice touch with the 80s theme to open the flashback.

Why is Olivia upset at the start of the episode? Peter is the same Peter she has known from day 1. She doesn't even have the facts yet. It is AFTER she finds out that Walter and Mrs Walter kept Peter, when she should be pissed or cuffing Walter for kidnapping.

Walternate.

I forgot he actually coined the name.



I'm surprised Walter ever thinks nicely of Belly. He chopped up Walter's brain and he skipped Peter's funeral. What a total dick!


Had no idea until recently that Stoltz actually was the original Marty.


I forgot Walter caused that little mishap. Also forgot he took Peter to save him. Not a straight up abduction. Although once he had him....

Also should be noted that Nina actually was taken aback that Belly wasn't returning her calls about Walter jumping universes. Shows that even though she thinks she is on the same page with Bell, he has an agenda of which she has no part.

One question...How did Peter forget? Especially since he knew Walter wasn't his dad. That bit seemed a bit forced to me. How would he have any idea that a perfect copy of his father wasn't his father after just a few minutes?

I could see him thinking dad was acting strange but not immediately jumping to the belief Walter was a fake in just a few minutes.

I guess you can argue his illness and the splash into cold water caused him to lose his memory but that is a bit more convenient than believable.
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Olivia. In the Lab. With a Revolver


Instead of continuing to complain about biological and chemical agents being ignored, I'll just post the above pic in future reviews.

Jacksonville connections. While part of the main arc. Nothing overly exciting. Monster of the week.

Why would Olivia tell Peter? What good would come from that? He would probably hate Walter and he would feel guilt that his illness and Walter saving him, put billions at risk. Not a single good reason to tell Peter other than to punish Walter.


The final scene felt false to me. The second she saw the killer, she would have dropped his arse. Or at minimum pulled her weapon. No way she would have turned towards the door. Nope.

Even worse was going over to the phone to call Peter instead of finding the gun or running out of the apartment.

And even though Walter wants to tell Peter, I still don't see how telling him would help anyone. At least at this point there is ZERO reason to tell him.

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White Tulip


Peter Weller is in the house.






Ok, I said I wouldn't say anything but a group of people died of unknown causes and instead of wearing hazmat suits, the FBI agents are piled into that train car like its a clown convention. Seriously. They have a ridiculous number of people piled into that car without any knowledge of what killed everyone at once.

I get that we don't need the stars in hazmat suits every episode but how about tossing out the line "we've tested for biological or chemical contaminants and they found nothing."



Normally I don't like time travel but Groundhog day nailed it and so did White Tulip. Solid episode.

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The Man From the Other Side


Something keeps exploding and flashing so stoner wants to go check it out. He got what he deserved.

Kids. Don't smoke pot. If you do, aliens will kill you. Little known side effect.

Hmmm..... The plot from The Headless Leader to bring something across using the vibrations got me thinking.'



In the Peter episode, Walter tells Olivia all about Peter's past including the use of the technology to get across to the other side.

How does Walter have these memories? I would assume anything to do with the technology to get across was removed from his brain and thus he also probably shouldn't even remember getting Peter since he used the technology, in fact created it, to get to Peter.

Belly used some gadget which showed which areas of the brain had the stored memories of the technology so in theory, Walter should have no memory of the night he took AltPeter.

/End Hijack

Oh snap.....after all of that soul searching, Peter figured it out on his own.



Double whammy for Walter. Peter hates him and ....


The Arrival.

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Time for some Fauxlivia!

Over There Part 1

Changed the intro again for the Alternate Universe but all they did was change the color. Wish they had done a bit more.


Ruh Roh!


GD Saints!

Poor Cortexiphan red shirts. They never had a chance.



Nice setup episode.

Why is Fauxlivia so much hotter than Olivia? Guess I just have a thing for reds.


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Over There Part 2

Do they ever explain the massive disparity in technology between the universes?



Belly with the distraction.



Smartass, "You've aged"



Was going to mock them for using inferior Microsoft products but it appears they are using Windows 7.



If Belly was stealing tech for MD then why don't we have just about everything they have over in the alternate Uni?

Noble really nailed it in this episode.







Nice season Finale.

morning guys. Amazing we have gotten through two seasons already.

Season 2 was pretty great. I'll give my overall comments this afternoon.

My thoughts/comments, then I'll get to Myth's stuff.

The Man From the Other Side.

I really like Newton as the villain. So far, the villains on the show have been good, when we've had multiple-episode villains (DRJ and TJN).

Badass scecne when the altverse bridge jumps over. I forgot that was how Peter puts it together that he was from the altverse.

Cold scene with Peter and Walter. What Walter did was fricked the frick up, and it's hard to feel bad for him, but I do.

Brown Betty.

I wasn't digging this noir episode at all. At. fricking. All.

Olivia looks good though.

The whole "Uncle Walter" thing with Ella seems weird and really forced.

Broyles playing the piano and singing?

So this noir episode is still set in present day with cell phones and shite.

Singing corpses? This is really, really bad.

And now Astrid is singing too? Then Olivia too??

Also, when Olivia drew that weapon that was used against her...best artist ever.

Talk about a filler episode. Really the only thing worth noting was that Walter was heartbroken with Peter leaving and whatnot. They tried to get too cute, and while I'm sure it was fun for them to make and the actors to play against type for their characters, this show completely missed for me. I almost turned it off a couple times.

Northwest Passage.

Sort of a filler episode, but a cool one and it still fit in with the whole TJN angle.

Peter was gonna get him some from that cute waitress, but TJN had to cockblock instead and frick that up.

Washington is a LONG arse WAY from Boston. I guess Peter was trying to get as far as possible. Damn.

Walternate and Peter reunion. AWWWWWWWWWW.

This was a really cool episode for me. I really enjoyed it. I liked Peter helping the small town sheriff chick, and it ended on a high note (with TJN and Walternate in Peter's room).

Over There (1 and 2).

Love the altverse stuff. Like Peter says, it's the same but slight, subtle differences. Always thought that was cool.

Oh, yet another time that Broyles knows something that is completely helpful and useful but holds out until the last minute to say something. He hasn't done that in a while, but damn that shite is annoying.

I'm curious as to why the cortexiphan kids are dying from crossing into the altverse but nobody else is, especially since we always hear about how dangerous it is to cross over (and back).

I forgot that alt Lincoln gets toasted. That was a cool scene.

AWESOME fight between the two Olives.

Walter and Bell seeing each other = hilarious. I love all of the scenes with those two together.

So this is where Olivia and Peter start their romantic thing (officially talk about it). I couldn't remember when that had started in the show. But that's a good way to get him to come back...smart move, Liv.

Why doesn't Walter just explain to Peter exactly what happened? Tell him that he was watching and saw Walternate missed out on the cure, so Walter was gonna cure Peter and return him, but then saw the look on his wife's face and knew then that things were different and he wasn't going back. It would at least give Peter some substance as to what and why it happened more than just "You came and kidnapped me."

Looking back, this was a nice finale, even though it was fairly anticlimactic...but at least it sets up some good shite for the future (like Fauxlivia crossing back with Liv in custody in the altverse, the doomsday device, etc.).

I do like it when Bell is on the show though. I wish he was on more throughout the series, though I know he retired from acting around the time of Fringe.

All in all, season two was pretty great, and now we can really get into the altverse shite and get thick into the whole "universes colliding" thing (which I assume plays out completely in season three).

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Also, just an FYI, but I am out of town this weekend, so I won't likely update the thread with new (season three) episodes next Monday until the afternoon. Just a heads up. Now to tread through Myth's thoughts and comments...

Onto Myth..

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I forgot Walter caused that little mishap. Also forgot he took Peter to save him. Not a straight up abduction. Although once he had him....

Also should be noted that Nina actually was taken aback that Belly wasn't returning her calls about Walter jumping universes. Shows that even though she thinks she is on the same page with Bell, he has an agenda of which she has no part.

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Agreed on both. I had forgotten that was how Nina lost her hand/arm. And as much as she knows and on top of shi as she is...Bell is the puppetmaster pulling the strings.

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One question...How did Peter forget? Especially since he knew Walter wasn't his dad. That bit seemed a bit forced to me. How would he have any idea that a perfect copy of his father wasn't his father after just a few minutes?

I could see him thinking dad was acting strange but not immediately jumping to the belief Walter was a fake in just a few minutes.

I guess you can argue his illness and the splash into cold water caused him to lose his memory but that is a bit more convenient than believable.

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I wondered this as well. So he was what, like 8 (maybe 7?) when he was taken? That's plenty old enough to remember things, even as an adult. So I just assumed that the cold water plunge did more to frick his memory up than anything else. Remember, he was on the verge of death and was saved (by September IIRC).

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Even worse was going over to the phone to call Peter instead of finding the gun or running out of the apartment.

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I said the same thing when I saw that...no way Liv would do that. She ALWAYS pulls her gun out. For everything.

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Peter is being more than a bit of a dick not letting Plimpton call the FBI. Not sure how he thinks he can take all of the bad guys on his own when he doesn't have any information whatsoever on their numbers.

Plus he knows shifters have super strength, can change appearance and can take serious damage. Call for help Pete.

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That was definitely annoying as hell. Every time she wanted to call Peter went all wheelchair handicapped and was like "No, I CAN DO IT MYSELF!!"

Made absolutely no sense. Even if they called the FBI, it's not like they'd have to send the one agent and one consultant that knew Peter (Liv and Walter). shite, Peter even called Broyles himself already so the FBI knew where he was. They could've sent Washington agents to help out. Stupid, selfish move on Pete's part. No question.

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I'm surprised Walter ever thinks nicely of Belly. He chopped up Walter's brain and he skipped Peter's funeral. What a total dick!

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Good point, Belly is a pretty good guy though but from Walters POV he is a B*#$%.

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One question...How did Peter forget? Especially since he knew Walter wasn't his dad. That bit seemed a bit forced to me. How would he have any idea that a perfect copy of his father wasn't his father after just a few minutes?

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I think they try to address that in the future. But I think eventually your brain convinces you that these are your actual parents. I don't know how kids who are actually kidnapped and stay under one roof for years before being discovered react to that situation. When you add on the fact that Walter looks exactly like Wlaternate, your brain may eventually convince you that you weren't actually kidnapped and that was just a bad dream some time ago.

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Olivia. In the Lab. With a Revolver

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I need to rewatch this to, but now that this is last weeks discussion I may let it slide.

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Ok, I said I wouldn't say anything but a group of people died of unknown causes and instead of wearing hazmat suits, the FBI agents are piled into that train car like its a clown convention. Seriously. They have a ridiculous number of people piled into that car without any knowledge of what killed everyone at once.

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that practically happens every week

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How does Walter have these memories? I would assume anything to do with the technology to get across was removed from his brain and thus he also probably shouldn't even remember getting Peter since he used the technology, in fact created it, to get to Peter.

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yeah not really sure. I thought about trying to defend this but I'm not going to waste my time.

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I need to rewatch this to, but now that this is last weeks discussion I may let it slide.

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Just look them up on google/Wikipedia. Wiki usually has solid plot synopses for the episodes, so just reading some of that epsiode should jog your memory of what all happened. Could save you a good bit of time rather than rewatching the episode again.

Also, if you did want to rewatch it/them, remember that we are "off" this week for S2 discussion, so you could rewatch the ones you're thinking about since there isn't an assignment this week.

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Did I miss something? I thought the monster of the week was just coincidental to Walternate finding Peter.

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Actually, you know what..I think you might be right. Looking back at it, I think that someone was just brutally killing people and Peter was freaking out and overreacting (and may e ahllucinating?) and thinking that it could be TJN trying to get after him. I think that's what was going on. There was that one time when he was talking to the sheriff chick and the random woman had been murderd and Peter was all like "She must have seen me...maybe at a gas station or something.." and she was looking at him crazy.

I think that was the point of the episode. It was just a small town murder, but Peter's delusions of grandeur made him think it was part of something bigger. And then, coincidentally, TJN and Walternate showed up there to get him.

And the dart scene in the woods...I still am not sure if that was real or in Peter's mind (though I do think it was real and just a clumsy attempt like you said).

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I definitely chuckled with the brutal honesty from Bell. Not even a slight pause.

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I really enjoyed all of the scenes with Walter and Bell, and wish they had more of them more often. We know they have some, but not many. Also, that article I read said that this was the time (around the end of S2) that Leonard Nimoy came out and said he was retiring from acting altogether. Obviously he made some additional appearances, but I wish he would've been physically on the show more...he and Walter's back-and-forth was great.

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they sure didn't explain why and if everything he saw was real

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Right. When he saw TJN in the crowd, I figured he was there. Then, in the woods, I was wondering if he was hallucinating. But then in the end, he really was there after all.

Made no sense. But I really, really liked the episode.