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re: Siap, McShay and Hoge discuss Mettenberger...
Posted on 4/24/14 at 1:20 pm to Mahootney
Posted on 4/24/14 at 1:20 pm to Mahootney
I don't think you can compare the two coming out of college. Brady was a QB who was benched numerous times for the prototypical QB Drew Henson. Time and time again he had to come in late in the game and engineer drives for UM to win. I'd say he was asked to do more.
Again, I'll mention the fact that OBJ,Juice & a explosive running game helped ZM8 out a ton this year.
Again, I'll mention the fact that OBJ,Juice & a explosive running game helped ZM8 out a ton this year.
quote:Boom or bust type of talent. Similar to the likes of Vince Young. His size isn't coming into question this year because of the success of QBs like Brees & Wilson.
Mett is the traditional stereotype for an NFL pocket passer, and he gets labeled 4th Round.
Manziel gets shite one by LSU twice, scrambles around and throws up prayers vs Bama, and boom... #1 overall option.
This post was edited on 4/24/14 at 1:22 pm
Posted on 4/24/14 at 1:24 pm to JBeam
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Again, I'll mention the fact that OBJ,Juice & a explosive running game helped ZM8 out a ton this year.
And I'll respond with the fact that Mett helped out OBJ, Juice, and the running game a ton this year.
This post was edited on 4/24/14 at 1:25 pm
Posted on 4/24/14 at 1:28 pm to JBeam
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Again, I'll mention the fact that OBJ,Juice & a explosive running game helped ZM8 out a ton this year.
And I dont think anyone is saying they didnt.
But, they werent making the throws. Mett was. And most of the time, the throws were really good. And it was in an NFL style system and he had to make NFL throws. And he did that.
The hardest ball to throw is when you are on the left hash, and you run an deep out to the right sideline. Mett made this time over and over again and made it look easy. Its the hardest ball to throw in the game because its 20 yards deep, 40 yards wide, and depending on the D it has to get there really really fast, or thrown in with superb touch over the defender in zone.
If the ball doesnt get there quick enough, its picked off because its such a long throw and takes a while to get there that the defender has enough time to recover. If its not thrown in with the perfect amount of touch, it gets picked because the defender is underneath in zone.
Mett completed that pass time and time again. And made it look easy. OBJ, Jarvis, and Hill werent making that throw. He was. Did the WRs bail him out sometimes? Sure. Did the running game take pressure off of him? Sure. But Mett also helped the WRs out and the running game a lot because of his ability to throw the ball. Its a symbiotic relationship. You run to open up the pass, and you pass to open up the run. But when it was time to throw the ball, he did a fantastic job of it and really improved his decision making and reading through his progressions.
This post was edited on 4/24/14 at 1:30 pm
Posted on 4/24/14 at 1:41 pm to JBeam
quote:You posted an intelligent and respectful response that dissented but wasn't adversarial. So rare on internet forums these days. I like you.
JBeam
I think I'll do the same.
quote:Mett served the purpose of both.
I don't think you can compare the two coming out of college. Brady was a QB who was benched numerous times for the prototypical QB Drew Henson. Time and time again he had to come in late in the game and engineer drives for UM to win. I'd say he was asked to do more.
quote:Yup. But it doesn't discount his arm and progress.
I'll mention the fact that OBJ,Juice & a explosive running game helped ZM8 out a ton this year.
I've got to admit that the draft analysts try to make a case for several Qbs in every draft to be NFL starters. Guys who are probably the best in that particular draft, but aren't special compared to the talent already in the league. Quinn, Barkely, Clausen, Geno, Weeden, etc.
The truth is... that only 32-ish actually start and only the top 10-15 are truly difference makers. This fact is compounded by the 10-15 year window of college QB talent to take those 32 spots.
Is Mett a sure-fire starter? I don't think so. He's not an Elway or Luck.
Does he have the potential to be a Gabbert, Bradford, Sanchez, Ponder, or better? I think so.
So when you said:
quote:You were incorrect.
Because comparing Mett to arguably the greatest QB in NFL history makes an ounce of sense
It makes at least TWO ounces of sense.
Later round pick.
Great hair.
Plus, my original point still stands. He's a pocket passer with an NFL arm.
quote:I like the VY comparison. Non an accurate passer, but made some highlight reels in college. So that makes me lean towards a bust like Vince. Plus, he doesn't nearly have the size of Vince or Locker to stay injury free.
Boom or bust type of talent. Similar to the likes of Vince Young. His size isn't coming into question this year because of the success of QBs like Brees & Wilson.
If Vick, RG3, and Locker can't stay healthy with a style similar to Manziel.... what makes you think Manziel will?
This post was edited on 4/24/14 at 1:50 pm
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