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re: Question for baseball fans...
Posted on 4/23/14 at 12:05 pm to CITWTT
Posted on 4/23/14 at 12:05 pm to CITWTT
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Don't blame your stupidity on conservatism, or better don't even try to use that word entirely with respect to you or anyone else with regards to that thought process.
Seriously.....exactly what "thought process" do you think that I have displayed.
I love how you goobers obviously did not read all of my posts when you made up your mind
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Posted on 4/23/14 at 12:06 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Whatever keeps the blacks out of baseball.
Again. Travel ball. As a matter of fact it keeps most kids who aren't at least middle class on the verge of upper middle class from playing at high levels. It's killing the great American pastime.
DP because I'm right and I'm not gonna let the answer to your question rot on the bottom of the page.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 12:08 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Again. Travel ball. As a matter of fact it keeps most kids who aren't at least middle class on the verge of upper middle class from playing at high levels.
Care to elaborate a little on this? I know nothing about the current state of youth baseball. Wouldn't kids get the chance to impress scouts or colleges by playing high school ball?
Posted on 4/23/14 at 12:15 pm to TK421
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Wouldn't kids get the chance to impress scouts or colleges by playing high school ball?
Travel ball starts at like age 9 nowadays. A lot of the best players start travel ball before HS. That means that rec leagues are inferior competition. Even if you are good it's hard to improve. Almost all HS ball players played travel ball before HS. I don't know if Legion ball even still exists. Poor kids just don't get to play enough against good competition to make a HS club these days. Even if they do play HS ball, their parents normally can't afford summer and winter travel leagues so others pass them up. I've heard stories of some HS coaches not even considering a kid unless he played travel ball. So we have a much smaller talent pool to chose from in America.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 12:16 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Whatever keeps the blacks out of baseball.
Again. Travel ball. As a matter of fact it keeps most kids who aren't at least middle class on the verge of upper middle class from playing at high levels. It's killing the great American pastime.
DP because I'm right and I'm not gonna let the answer to your question rot on the bottom of the page.
In my hometown, there are independent teams. But they do still coordinate with the recreational department. Most independent teams in this area gather to attempt to engage other top talent.
Our independent teams try to operate mostly off of donations in an effort to ensure that players from low income back grounds can participate.
Unfortunately the Rec department is run by idiots....so most parents have no choice.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 12:18 pm to TK421
Travel ball or Independent ball, is usually reserved for kids under high school age. It is popular in towns or cities where recreational departments are not run properly and it hurts a players development.
It's an effort to play other top talent in the area as well.
Most independent teams try to operate on donations to allow low income families to participate at that skill level.
It's an effort to play other top talent in the area as well.
Most independent teams try to operate on donations to allow low income families to participate at that skill level.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 12:20 pm to infantry1026
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My question for the poli board is.....what are your thoughts on this? Does it concern you that American born players are losing out on their opportunity due to immigrants?
No. I don't value an American over anybody else. We're all people, and protectionism is inherently harmful to everyone.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 12:21 pm to HempHead
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No. I don't value an American over anybody else. We're all people, and protectionism is inherently harmful to everyone.
This is a great point....thanks for the input
Posted on 4/23/14 at 12:27 pm to TigerPride10
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This ought to get the immigration haters riled up and at a loss for words.
Why?
Foreigners playing American baseball have LEGAL status.
It's the illegals that conservatives have a problem with and the left seems to not have a problem with.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 12:28 pm to infantry1026
The problem is that baseball does not equate with playing top talent as much as it equates with repetition.
Think of Golf v. Tennis.
You can practice tennis every day for a year and you won't improve until you play tennis players who are better than you.
However, you can practice golf every day for a year and become very good without having anyone else on the course.
Now a juxtaposition...
Imagine pitchers John and Sam. Both are 6 years old.
John plays t ball. Then goes with 'travel teams' if he has the money. He wants to pitch but he has to share time with other players. He continues his quest at improvement for 5 years.
Sam starts pitching with his dad in the back yard every day for 1 hour ... for 5 years.
At age 11, which kid will be the better pitcher?
Think of Golf v. Tennis.
You can practice tennis every day for a year and you won't improve until you play tennis players who are better than you.
However, you can practice golf every day for a year and become very good without having anyone else on the course.
Now a juxtaposition...
Imagine pitchers John and Sam. Both are 6 years old.
John plays t ball. Then goes with 'travel teams' if he has the money. He wants to pitch but he has to share time with other players. He continues his quest at improvement for 5 years.
Sam starts pitching with his dad in the back yard every day for 1 hour ... for 5 years.
At age 11, which kid will be the better pitcher?
Posted on 4/23/14 at 12:28 pm to infantry1026
We shouldn't be trying to "protect" American ball players. That's the same thing as affirmative action. Minorities need jobs whether they deserve them or not. So instead of trying to improve the chances of minorities to get good jobs by addressing the root causes of their failures, we make a law saying that you have to hire them anyway.
We need to address the root causes of why less Americans are in the pros, not take opportunities from other more deserving athletes.
We need to address the root causes of why less Americans are in the pros, not take opportunities from other more deserving athletes.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 12:30 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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We need to address the root causes of why less Americans are in the pros
Black kids would rather play football and basketball, and the well-to-do white kids are playing lacrosse now.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 12:31 pm to Zach
Also, it's about time we repealed that gotdamn DH rule. That, along with the 19th Amendment, have set this country back generations IMO.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 12:33 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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I've heard stories of some HS coaches not even considering a kid unless he played travel ball. So we have a much smaller talent pool to chose from in America.
That's weird. I played club soccer growing up but tryouts in high school were open to anyone. Several guys made the team that never played upper level competition
Posted on 4/23/14 at 12:33 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Also, it's about time we repealed that gotdamn DH rule. That, along with the 19th Amendment, have set this country back generations IMO.
Zach is willing to compromise. You can keep the DH and the 19th amendment as long as all DH's in Major League baseball are women.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 12:35 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Also, it's about time we repealed that gotdamn DH rule. That, along with the 19th Amendment, have set this country back generations IMO.
"You tell 'em, Methuselah"
Posted on 4/23/14 at 12:36 pm to HempHead
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Black kids would rather play football and basketball
Another reason a lot less black kids play baseball is because it is traditionally a father-son sport. The lack of traditional father figures in the black community has added to this as well. B-ball is cheap. All you need is a ball and a goal and a kid can get really good at shooting hoops all by himself at the nearest park or his driveway. This is one of the reasons why blacks have dominated B-ball for so long.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 12:36 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Travel ball starts at like age 9 nowadays. A lot of the best players start travel ball before HS. That means that rec leagues are inferior competition. Even if you are good it's hard to improve. Almost all HS ball players played travel ball before HS. I don't know if Legion ball even still exists. Poor kids just don't get to play enough against good competition to make a HS club these days. Even if they do play HS ball, their parents normally can't afford summer and winter travel leagues so others pass them up. I've heard stories of some HS coaches not even considering a kid unless he played travel ball. So we have a much smaller talent pool to chose from in America.
That's an interesting observation that I have never thought of before. I think it has some validity.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 12:38 pm to infantry1026
quote:This makes no sense.
but Baseball is an American sport.
quote:Don't really care.
what are your thoughts on this?
quote:No
Does it concern you that American born players are losing out on their opportunity due to immigrants?
Posted on 4/23/14 at 12:38 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Also, it's about time we repealed that gotdamn DH rule. That, along with the 19th Amendment, have set this country back generations IMO.
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