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re: Walmart wants to go organic; attacks status symbols
Posted on 4/20/14 at 11:00 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 4/20/14 at 11:00 am to SlowFlowPro
Post a less biased article
This post was edited on 4/20/14 at 11:01 am
Posted on 4/20/14 at 11:03 am to SlowFlowPro
I'm not one of these people that buys the organic things I do because I'm stupid enough to think there are magic nutrients in them. I buy them for what's not added or used on them. I try not to eat synthesized things that my body doesn't know how to break down. I try not to eat added unnatural hormones or antibiotics that there is no definitive proof one way or the other. I buy things like dairy and other proteins with the way they were raised in mind. I wish people were more educated about what they ate, bought locally, and avoided processed foods. This has turned into an argument of motives. I don't care what their motive is. If them trying to cut into whole food's, wegman's, and trader joe's market share sparks debate and makes people think, it's a good thing. This thread is a good thing. The fact that people are reading it and likely looking things up to respond is a good thing.
Posted on 4/20/14 at 11:04 am to SDVTiger
the telegraph is a biased source? this isn't the daily mail or anything
Posted on 4/20/14 at 11:07 am to SlowFlowPro
So sources I post are biased but what you post are the real deal facts.
Happy Easter bro! Hopefully Monsanto is as great as you make them out to be
Happy Easter bro! Hopefully Monsanto is as great as you make them out to be
Posted on 4/20/14 at 11:08 am to Nelson Biederman IV
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I try not to eat synthesized things that my body doesn't know how to break down.
like what?
even terrible things like hydrogenated oils are broken down by your body. the effects just aren't optimal
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I try not to eat added unnatural hormones or antibiotics
i'm pretty sure that even if these could theoretically remain in any noticeable dose in the meats, they would almost assuredly be eliminated during cooking (along with a lot of nutritious stuff like minerals and vitamins, but, alas, such is life)
Posted on 4/20/14 at 11:10 am to SDVTiger
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So sources I post are biased but what you post are the real deal facts.
you posted news stories from pro-organic websites
i commented on the link from the nation, even though it is a highly liberal outlet (but the telegraph leans slight right, in europe, so i'll allow it). the nation is at least a legitimate news source
and like i said, the article doesn't support what you're claiming in this thread. i deconstructed it in some detail
Posted on 4/20/14 at 11:17 am to SlowFlowPro
Certain synthesized sweeteners and preservatives cannot be properly broken down and utilized, and thing like hydrogenated oils have undesirable effects because they are unnatural and are not stored and used properly. As for the dairy, I'm not using milk solely for bechamel and baking. I don't buy ultra pasteurized milk. Again, with the protein, it has a lot to do with how they are raised as for my reasoning for buying.
Posted on 4/20/14 at 11:23 am to Nelson Biederman IV
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undesirable effects because they are unnatural
Eat some hemlock, and lets see how that breaks down in your body.
Posted on 4/20/14 at 11:24 am to Boss
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There is no clear scientific evidence one way or another if organic and Non-GMO foods are better for you or if GMO foods are dangerous.
Correct.
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But since I have an option, I will opt for "cleaner" foods.
Why do you believe they are cleaner when there is no clear scientific evidence to support this belief?
Posted on 4/20/14 at 11:25 am to foshizzle
quote:Marketing.
Why do you believe they are cleaner when there is no clear scientific evidence to support this belief?
Posted on 4/20/14 at 11:26 am to Jcorye1
maybe the OT isn't the place for me to have this conversation.
Posted on 4/20/14 at 11:27 am to Zantrix
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quote: Marketing scam. Whole Foods customers are stupid.
There are a lot of better quality items in there but not bc it's better for you or anything. There's just a lot of things in there that you can't find at a normal grocery. Not everything, but a lot.
Posted on 4/20/14 at 11:28 am to RBWilliams8
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There are a lot of better quality items in there but not bc it's better for you or anything. There's just a lot of things in there that you can't find at a normal grocery. Not everything, but a lot.
I'll agree with that.
Posted on 4/20/14 at 11:29 am to Scruffy
it's still a status symbol. they go in waves, from one pole to the other...just like smoking, daycare, baby formula, etc
actually this is a lot like baby formula
when rich people shift to being pro-forumula, it's b/c it's more expensive and scientifically engineered to be better for their kids. when they shift to breast feeding, formula becomes "chemicals"
there will be a shift (likely along with the price differential shifting) where people see GMOs as scientifically-engineered super foods that poor people can't afford. then there will be articles written by liberal writers discussing what we can do about the "food gap". then in a decade or 2, it will shift back and liberal writers will write about "food deserts"
actually this is a lot like baby formula
when rich people shift to being pro-forumula, it's b/c it's more expensive and scientifically engineered to be better for their kids. when they shift to breast feeding, formula becomes "chemicals"
there will be a shift (likely along with the price differential shifting) where people see GMOs as scientifically-engineered super foods that poor people can't afford. then there will be articles written by liberal writers discussing what we can do about the "food gap". then in a decade or 2, it will shift back and liberal writers will write about "food deserts"
Posted on 4/20/14 at 11:30 am to Nelson Biederman IV
Well, in all honesty, Scruffy wants these marketing ploys to work. If more of the obese, unhealthy pieces of shite who live in this country start eating healthier because of this, Scruffy will be much happier.
Scruffy hates all of you fat people.
Scruffy hates all of you fat people.
Posted on 4/20/14 at 11:30 am to Nelson Biederman IV
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maybe the OT isn't the place for me to have this conversation.
based on what?
hell a doctor is posting in this thread
i'm a lawyer. jroyce is an accountant. you're dealing with educated, intelligent people
Posted on 4/20/14 at 11:38 am to SlowFlowPro
I don't think I've ever seen anyone defend Monsanto
Posted on 4/20/14 at 11:39 am to ZacAttack
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I don't think I've ever seen anyone defend Monsanto
Head to the Poli board
Posted on 4/20/14 at 11:43 am to ZacAttack
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I don't think I've ever seen anyone defend Monsanto
i'm not a sheep
i don't agree with everything monsanto does, but a lot of that is problems in our IP laws
i also defended walmart
Posted on 4/20/14 at 11:48 am to RBWilliams8
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There are a lot of better quality items in there but not bc it's better for you or anything. There's just a lot of things in there that you can't find at a normal grocery. Not everything, but a lot.
The local Safeway and Fred Meyer (kind of a Kroger equivalent of Target) has huge healthy/natural foods sections.
Organic foods just aren't that much better for you. You pay for "feeling good" about "Doing the right thing."
LINK
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A new large-scale study from Stanford University finds that when it comes to nutrition, organic foods, such as meat, dairy, and produce, may not be worth the extra cash. While organics come at a premium, researchers say they are no healthier and not significantly safer than conventional foods and produce grown with pesticides.
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