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re: Planning urged to prepare for La.’s chemical boom
Posted on 4/19/14 at 8:16 am to Gaston
Posted on 4/19/14 at 8:16 am to Gaston
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You're right, frick it. Trash the place as long as Bobby can buy a bass boat with his overtime money.
Tell me the highest point in Louisiana isn't some waste pile that has to be continuously watered so it doesn't get dispersed.
its' a major, major "backbone" industry. we can't really do anything or "have nice things" without one
i'd love to hear your other options, though
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Posted on 4/19/14 at 8:17 am to Gaston
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So billionaire in NYC wants to open in a plant in La, use out states resources, water and natural gas, to create a product for export, inevitably leave by product here, and just some low level plant jobs are what we get
If you are really too stupid to understand the positive impact this will have on LA or are intentionally downplaying it as just "low level plant jobs" then I am not going to continue to argue with you about it.
I'll give you a hint though...the positives outweigh the negatives.
Also...LoL @ you blaming EE 18 years after he went to jail for something that has only been in the works for 3 or 4 years now. That just shows your ignorance and biased.
Posted on 4/19/14 at 8:18 am to TigersOfGeauxld
Just glancing at your link it looks like that's for safety concerns. Not for air pollution which is what Gatson is bitching about.
That's more OSHA than EPA
That's more OSHA than EPA
Posted on 4/19/14 at 8:29 am to Gaston
Gaston, I really think you are stuck in some kind of mid 1980's state of mind. Not sure why all of the butthurt, but this state needs these jobs and you really seem to be uninformed over how good most of these jobs are.
These permanent full time labor guys in alot of instances in the plants will have salaries of $50-65K a year and with experience and overtime are making over $100K. These jobs come with outstanding bennefits too.
Yes the safety and environmental records were kind of shitty 20 plus years ago. These companies are under a microscope now and are a whole different animal than they used to be.
I know of a refinery in south La that just went through a turnaround over over 900K man-hours and did not have one recordable injury.
And lets not forget that the people that build these plants make some pretty damn good $$$ too.
These permanent full time labor guys in alot of instances in the plants will have salaries of $50-65K a year and with experience and overtime are making over $100K. These jobs come with outstanding bennefits too.
Yes the safety and environmental records were kind of shitty 20 plus years ago. These companies are under a microscope now and are a whole different animal than they used to be.
I know of a refinery in south La that just went through a turnaround over over 900K man-hours and did not have one recordable injury.
And lets not forget that the people that build these plants make some pretty damn good $$$ too.
Posted on 4/19/14 at 8:30 am to Gaston
Love it or hate it, the Chemical Processing Industry is the heart and soul of this region, economically speaking.
Posted on 4/19/14 at 8:31 am to stout
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That just shows your ignorance and biased.
Yea. I simply said THINK about the impacts and plan for them. Some things aren't free and shouldn't be given as such. I want them to come, but I want the value of the land, air, water, natural gas to be considered. We live here and want it beautiful and healthy for many generations. Obvious fricking shite.
The one slinging attacks is most likely the ignorant one...
Posted on 4/19/14 at 8:34 am to Gaston
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but I want the value of the land, air, water, natural gas to be considered.
well they're not getting the land donated to them or anything
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We live here and want it beautiful and healthy for many generations. Obvious fricking shite.
they don't really pollute that much...not anymore. if you were making this argument 35 years ago, you'd have a point
Posted on 4/19/14 at 8:37 am to RealityTiger
I work in the piping and pressure vessel industry and preparing OSHA PSM documentation is pretty much 100% of my job. I want the area to have tons of jobs and a million miles of piping. Still though, I think some sort of export tax based on the future impact of your processing facility isn't some kind of crazy talk.
Posted on 4/19/14 at 8:38 am to Gaston
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Some things aren't free and shouldn't be given as such.
What are we giving them as free? Some tax credits? Big deal.
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but I want the value of the land, air, water, natural gas to be considered.
I know people that sold out their land to Sasol and trust me when I tell you that Sasol paid dearly for it.
You keep acting like they can just pollute the air and water freely with no concern. These refineries have environmental guys in permanent positions to make sure they adhere to the strict EPA laws and if they don't then they get fined out of the arse.
I think Citgo in Westlake paid the largest air pollution fine in history not long ago when there was a mishap in the plant. You think any business model could sustain that? No so they make sure to adhere to the standards the EPA has set.
They also aren't getting the gas for free. Perhaps you haven't heard about the many new millionaires in Louisiana thanks to recent record sized natural gas finds.
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The one slinging attacks is most likely the ignorant one...
I didn't attack you. Calling you biased and ignorant on a subject isn't a personal attack. There are many subjects I am biased and ignorant on.
Posted on 4/19/14 at 8:38 am to Gaston
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Still though, I think some sort of export tax based on the future impact of your processing facility isn't some kind of crazy talk.
they would just go to the area that doesn't have the tax. hell, a reason why we get these industries is our lax state regulations/taxation
don't cut off your nose to spite your face
Posted on 4/19/14 at 8:39 am to SlowFlowPro
I know you're from Lake Charles and have dealt with this more than I have. I really haven't followed it since college. I studied nuclear science in college, and those guys loved to shine the light on other industries since they got such a bad name. That's really my only of reference.
Posted on 4/19/14 at 8:40 am to stout
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I think Citgo in Westlake paid the largest air pollution fine in history not long ago when there was a mishap in the plant.
it was handed down in 2008 iirc....from the 2005 oil spill
Posted on 4/19/14 at 8:41 am to SlowFlowPro
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they would just go to the area that doesn't have the tax. hell, a reason why we get these industries is our lax state regulations/taxation
don't cut off your nose to spite your face
This is exactly it and what I was getting at with my references to Cali and Detroit earlier. They got greedy and now both states are bankrupt with no new industry to carry them outside of Silicon Valley maybe.
Posted on 4/19/14 at 8:42 am to Gaston
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studied nuclear science in college, and those guys loved to shine the light on other industries since they got such a bad name
Thread hijack.
I would love to start building new nuclear plants in the U.S. Any chance of it happening anytime soon?
Posted on 4/19/14 at 8:42 am to Gaston
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I know you're from Lake Charles and have dealt with this more than I have. I really haven't followed it since college. I studied nuclear science in college, and those guys loved to shine the light on other industries since they got such a bad name. That's really my only of reference.
it's really not bad. i'm sure they dump shite into the local waterways, but those waterways were fricked 50 years ago, so it's not really a net negative in the present, imho.
air releases are rare and i don't think there has been a major release worth any sort of legitimate health concern since 2001-2001 when conoco blew up. there are very small releases that release stuff that irritates eyes and noses of people in westlake and little else, and even those are rare (1 since 2009 i think)
Posted on 4/19/14 at 8:47 am to SlowFlowPro
2001 was the worse thing to happen in any plant in SWLA ever IIRC. It can happen but it's extremely rare. Especially when you take into account that with new technology many of these refineries run themselves so you have less concern for human error.
Posted on 4/19/14 at 8:51 am to stout
yeah Citgo had a series of releases in 2008-2009 due to some electrical/structural problems that popped up when it rained
conoco had a very small release in 2009 or 2010
chem waste was a non-event. not even a release in the way people think of it
now there is that ppg/axial release, which i saw first hand at steamboat bills. i am not in that part of the legal industry anymore, so i'm ignorant as to the cause/impact, but it didn't appear to be bad
conoco had a very small release in 2009 or 2010
chem waste was a non-event. not even a release in the way people think of it
now there is that ppg/axial release, which i saw first hand at steamboat bills. i am not in that part of the legal industry anymore, so i'm ignorant as to the cause/impact, but it didn't appear to be bad
Posted on 4/19/14 at 8:53 am to notiger1997
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Thread hijack. I would love to start building new nuclear plants in the U.S. Any chance of it happening anytime soon?
Uh oh, now the NSA is reading along.
Posted on 4/19/14 at 8:57 am to Gaston
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My family is from south of Lafayette, and say what you want about their lifestyle, but if you look at the cancer deaths on the family tree it is unreal.
Cancer Alley is not a myth
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