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re: WTF am I supposed to do? Health Insurance...
Posted on 4/20/14 at 2:12 am to stuntman
Posted on 4/20/14 at 2:12 am to stuntman
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You haven't been checking much then. Is there some sort of public clamoring for domestic spying or intimidating journalists I didn't know about?
So naive... next time you go to a gas station ask the person that works their if they would like to go the doctor... THEN think about all the people like them that make about $7.25 to $14 dollars an hour... even the ones that get benefits are struggling...
kitchen manager at a ruby tuesdays ... $12 dollars an hour... in the past that person could have owned the place. they know 200% times more about running that restaurant than anyone else. and they are usually better cooks too than the shite the big company provides.
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Posted on 4/20/14 at 2:23 am to stuntman
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Ok, now WHY do they do that?
It's cheaper... why is it cheaper... lot's of reasons.. less health codes, people will work for less, people expect less, etc.. Why is it too expensive to do here? Same reasons... everyone top to bottom expects
more, we expect certain benefits, we expect people to receive those benefits, etc etc...
If a person comes by and cuts my leg off and I'm screaming in pain... and you come up and say "do you have insurance?" when I say "No" you can walk away and let me die.. from my standpoint... you should feel zero guilt. But there are a lot that just won't let that scenario play out.
This post was edited on 4/20/14 at 2:24 am
Posted on 4/20/14 at 2:31 am to NATidefan
The problem isn't the wages...it's the PURCHASING POWER of those wages, which get demolished by government every single day. You just don't seem to be able to grasp the idea that government is CONSTANTLY piling on costs and eroding the value of your money. You don't seem to understand that they are also destroying your opportunities by taking available capital out of the market AND disincentivizing new capital from flowing here. You don't seem to realize that it is now riskier than ever to hire someone and that is a COST to companies. The reason companies go overseas is because of LOWER COSTS.
Posted on 4/20/14 at 2:36 am to NATidefan
The standard of living is RISING in those "cheap" countries.
If someone, from your point of view, shouldn't feel guilt if someone is sitting there bleeding to death, then why is it your pov that rich people should feel guilt. (at least, that's how your statements have come across).
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from my standpoint... you should feel zero guilt.
If someone, from your point of view, shouldn't feel guilt if someone is sitting there bleeding to death, then why is it your pov that rich people should feel guilt. (at least, that's how your statements have come across).
Posted on 4/20/14 at 2:36 am to stuntman
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The reason companies go overseas is because of LOWER COSTS.
Posted on 4/20/14 at 2:38 am to NATidefan
All of your diatribes against those who are wealthy fall on deaf ears as far as I'm concerned. I work for a man who went to school, earned his way to doctorate degree, failed in business not once, not twice, but three times before succeeding, and his company is a thriving enterprise of made in the good old USA products. You focus on one part of worldwide trade and make a broad stroke assumption across a wide gamut of business and industry and conclude it's flawed. I factually know you are wrong.
I have a rich uncle who earned everything he has through hard work and sticking his neck out. My dad owns a company he has built from nothing to be one of the premier firms of its types in the state. My cousin has worked hard for the same company for twenty years, and was recently rewarded with a $1Million bonus. I work in a position I absolutely love. It creates wealth for my family and national security for our country. It has taken me a lifetime to build myself into the businessman I am and to be in this important role. I've taken multiple steps forward and many, many steps backwards in my career in order to get here. You, well .... you aren't in business anymore. But to you, someone else is at fault. You can't come up with a way to build a fruit slicer idea (I'm sure nobody has thought of that before
) so you blame China and greedy industrialists.
Everyone here appreciates the initial OP concerning ObamaCare, but your refusal to accept that this abortion of a law was passed by a Democratic president and a Democratic Senate without one, single vote of the Republicans, the so-called party of the rich, and yet.... here you are, casting blame and heaping scorn upon a very small subset of the populace; the rich, for being at fault. How you cannot see your flawed logic is beyond belief.
Your logic is flawed. Your whining is insipid. Your continued protestations backing your assertions prove to us that you are not very bright, even though you think you are. And finally, your musings on taking advantage of government programs show that you're easily willing to compromise your supposed "principles".
Why not go back to the OT, where maybe the minds there are more willing to participate in your ruse or your ignorance, whichever the case may be?
I have a rich uncle who earned everything he has through hard work and sticking his neck out. My dad owns a company he has built from nothing to be one of the premier firms of its types in the state. My cousin has worked hard for the same company for twenty years, and was recently rewarded with a $1Million bonus. I work in a position I absolutely love. It creates wealth for my family and national security for our country. It has taken me a lifetime to build myself into the businessman I am and to be in this important role. I've taken multiple steps forward and many, many steps backwards in my career in order to get here. You, well .... you aren't in business anymore. But to you, someone else is at fault. You can't come up with a way to build a fruit slicer idea (I'm sure nobody has thought of that before
) so you blame China and greedy industrialists. Everyone here appreciates the initial OP concerning ObamaCare, but your refusal to accept that this abortion of a law was passed by a Democratic president and a Democratic Senate without one, single vote of the Republicans, the so-called party of the rich, and yet.... here you are, casting blame and heaping scorn upon a very small subset of the populace; the rich, for being at fault. How you cannot see your flawed logic is beyond belief.
Your logic is flawed. Your whining is insipid. Your continued protestations backing your assertions prove to us that you are not very bright, even though you think you are. And finally, your musings on taking advantage of government programs show that you're easily willing to compromise your supposed "principles".
Why not go back to the OT, where maybe the minds there are more willing to participate in your ruse or your ignorance, whichever the case may be?
Posted on 4/20/14 at 2:39 am to NATidefan
You don't seem to realize what the source of our higher costs are. That's why I said that. You're blaming the "rich" guy instead of looking at the massive compliance costs, taxes and risks put on the backs of business owners.
Posted on 4/20/14 at 2:46 am to stuntman
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If someone, from your point of view, shouldn't feel guilt if someone is sitting there bleeding to death, then why is it your pov that rich people should feel guilt. (at least, that's how your statements have come across).
I don't think anyone should feel guilt if I'm dieing one the side of the road.. human nature creates that.. I don't think rich people should feel guilt.. they just need to be ok with walking by that guy dieing on the side of the road.
Posted on 4/20/14 at 2:57 am to HubbaBubba
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HubbaBubba
I ask you yet again... what the frick am I asking for, complaining about, or demanding... other than being charged (taxed) for something I don't receive...
Am I being taxed that because of Obama.. yes... has that tax come about because no one wants to see me die... yes...
Posted on 4/20/14 at 3:04 am to stuntman
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You're blaming the "rich" guy instead of looking at the massive compliance costs, taxes and risks put on the backs of business owners.
There are risks to being a business owner... you know what the biggest risk today is? being put out of business by big business.. Just look at Walmart.. when I was a kid it was a place to buy random home stuff... toys, some cooking devices, it was a big general hardware/clothing/toy store.
Now its where you go to get your groceries, nails done, eyes checked, hair done, tires replaced, buy shite, drugs prescribed, plants for the yard, etc, etc. etc. think about every small business it's put out of business.
This post was edited on 4/20/14 at 3:09 am
Posted on 4/20/14 at 5:09 am to NATidefan
quote:Coulda, shoulda, woulda . . . . then reality strikes . . . . . and despite 'coulda', THEY DON'T!
in the past that person could have owned the place. they know 200% times more about running that restaurant than anyone else. and they are usually better cooks too than the shite the big company provides.
They do not "own the place".
Sorry to be cold about this, but it's time for a spoonfull of reality.
It's tiresome hearing wannabes talking about how "by all rights" they should "own the place", or how easy the actual owner has it. It's tiresome listening to assumptions that if just "given the chance" they could be a Wall Street mogul, or Ruby Tuesdays owner, or whatever strikes fancy. Meanwhile they've rarely persevered in any endeavor they've undertaken. They take no calculated career risk. They offer themselves no chance whatsoever.
They blame all that on the guy who has succeeded. They blame it on the guy who has persevered repeated challenges, who has taken repeated calculated risks, who dreamed it ==> then did it. They think they could be that guy. All they see is where he is now. They see none of how he got there.
Maybe they could be him.
The first step though, is actually making the effort.
A high IQ does not grant one a Medical Degree. A great jump-shot does not grant an NBA slot. Cooking skills do not grant a Ruby Tuesdays ownership. Those things are earned. They require drive, determination, hard work, planning, perseverance.
Business accomplishments require anticipation and a success dynamic. A person doing independent work for a vendor analyses the strengths, weaknesses, opportunities and threats inherent in his situation. He recognizes the potential instability of his position. He finds a way to counter that, before the larger vendor swallows him up on its terms.
Ironically, as much as you're bitching about how good the other guy has it, as much as you're bitching about how "anyone could do what the 'fat cats' do," yours is an example in which the other guy actually could do your job. You were the exact overcompensated problem you're criticizing others for. You were overpaid for labor that could be had for $8.50/hr.
Do you get that?
You started this thread lamenting your situation. Members here were empathetic. You've received sound advice from various viewpoints, yet you've cast it to the can like yesterday's garbage. There is a point at which your situation transitions from sympathetic to pure spectacle, when it advances from tragedy to generic roadside carnage and onlooker delay. In bitching rather than listening, you've reached that point here.
This post was edited on 4/20/14 at 5:37 am
Posted on 4/20/14 at 9:57 am to NC_Tigah
quote:I'm reminded of a conversation I had at a bar in a restaurant near Berkley two years ago. The person, a female, was blaming her brother, a member of the 1%, for her business failing. She blamed her mother for not loving her properly. She blamed the fat cat banks for not being sympathetic and not wanting their money back in small dribbles so she could build her business. She hated on Ron Paul because he wanted to take away her right to an abortion and contraceptives. She, too, was now earning $8.50 an hour (even though she had a degree in Social Sciences from UC-Berkley) and telling me that she expected society to pay for her birth control pills so she could be promiscuous. She topped this off by telling me she'd had an abortion and she had it during the third trimester because society shouldn't "hold her back by forcing a baby on any woman who doesn't want it".
NC_Tigah
After listening to this, I asked her if she would take the same amount of time to listen to my story as she'd spent telling me how society had set out to hold her down. She let me go for it and I hit her between the eyes with truth.
I told her of a similar person, someone else I know. My cousin, who, at age seventeen, gave birth to a son, and gave him up for adoption. She continued to finish high school, get a degree in Accounting. She worked also for minimum wages many times, and eventually learned enough to open a business, She failed and filed bankruptcy. She married, had kids, started another business, and today, after hard work, she now is a mufti-millionaire, owning accounting firms that specialize in oil & gas production management.
I could see she was uncomfortable being compared to someone who had worked and succeeded, so I hit her with the big hammer. The pregnancy. I told her that a few years back, her son that she had given up for adoption, who she cried over and loved as she gave him away, had reached out and found her. They reunited and he and his family have now become a part of ours, and they now come to our annual family reunion.
He is one of the key artists and project developers for Disney-Pixar. His work has been instrumental in bringing many families and children much joy and created jobs and wealth. His works were all seen by MY kids, and as you can see, life has a way of coming full circle.
So, I looked this young woman in the eyes and said, "On one hand, we have you, who choose to live life as a victim, who chooses to cast aside God given life to an ash heap, living in bitterness and at $8.50 an hour. And then... there are those who see the preciousness that life is, who respect it, who grow from it and as a result, profit from it. Perhaps you should reconsider your ways and consider embracing personal responsibility and the rewards that come with it."
Her response, as here, was to stand up from the bar, point her finger at me, yell at me and tell me she hated me and my type, and hoped she would never see me ever again.
Truth is powerful, and life-changing, if only people open their eyes to it. Too bad that wisdom and truth continues to be ignored in this thread by the OP.
Posted on 4/20/14 at 10:11 am to HubbaBubba
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HubbaBubba
Good story HB. When you run out of ammo about all you have left is to run. Appears she ran out of bullets.
Posted on 4/20/14 at 2:20 pm to NATidefan
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I don't blame Obama, I blame every other motherfricker that's either too greedy to let me get insurance for a price I can afford or too fricking worried if I die or not.
This would be good news in Obamas world. Everything is moving in the right direction. Chaos and hatred between us all and universal healthcare. Sounds about right.
Posted on 4/20/14 at 2:30 pm to NATidefan
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Horse shite, did you ever have a private plan? they are and were outrageous... no one could afford one that didn't make a wealthy living...
Nonsense. I paid a little less than $90 a month for my catastrophic healthcare plan about six years ago. Now, the ACA did away with those plans.
Posted on 4/20/14 at 5:49 pm to Eurocat
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Amd please take time to read this carefully, it explains why selling insurance across state lines would be awful.
quote:Excellent link. Thanks!
Eurocat
Posted on 4/20/14 at 5:56 pm to Sentrius
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We could solve this by letting insurers sell across state lines.
I feel like this doesn't get said enough. We haven't allowed truly free competition in the insurance market to have a shot at fixing this.
Posted on 4/20/14 at 7:30 pm to NATidefan
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The Wealthy are just as much to blame as the poor for the issues in this country.
That is so stupid that you can be ignored .
Posted on 4/20/14 at 7:34 pm to HubbaBubba
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The person, a female, was blaming... She blamed... She blamed...She hated...
The Left in a nutshell.
Posted on 4/20/14 at 8:09 pm to NATidefan
Send super brotha a letter at the White House.
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