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re: Anti-Religion group attacks Clemson football program

Posted on 4/17/14 at 11:38 pm to
Posted by TigersforEver
Alexandria, LA
Member since Aug 2008
1930 posts
Posted on 4/17/14 at 11:38 pm to
Im disappointed that the FRFF hasn't run out of funding and dried up due to lack of funding yet.
Posted by MasterofTigerBait
Member since May 2009
7592 posts
Posted on 4/17/14 at 11:46 pm to
Ya I'm sure it is "voluntary."

Even if it offends one football player, this is not ok. Its a public university, if dabo wants to do this he needs to go to Baylor, I'm sure Clemson would be happy to swap coaches
Posted by Atari
Texas
Member since Dec 2009
3716 posts
Posted on 4/17/14 at 11:47 pm to
If it's voluntary and there are no repercussions for not going, I don't care if he invites the team to attend a tent revival in his front yard where speaks in tongues and dances with snakes.

But the article says he's distributing Bibles, if that's on team time it needs to stop. The position of team Chaplin is fine as long as he's a background figure and not in the locker room trying to win hearts and minds.

You can't be a government official favoring one religion over another while on the job. What he does on his own time is his own time.
Posted by baytiger
Boston
Member since Dec 2007
46978 posts
Posted on 4/18/14 at 12:38 am to
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Im disappointed that the FRFF hasn't run out of funding and dried up due to lack of funding yet.
I'm disappointed that it's necessary
Posted by CaptainBrannigan
Good Ole Rocky Top Tennessee
Member since Jan 2010
21644 posts
Posted on 4/18/14 at 1:03 am to
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I like Coach Swinney and applaud him for trying to teach these guys more than just football.


So if he was teaching about the Holy Quran, you would be ok with that? Or is it only a certain brand of indoctrination that you endorse?
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 4/18/14 at 1:09 am to
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Even if it offends one football player, this is not ok. Its a public university, if dabo wants to do this he needs to go to Baylor, I'm sure Clemson would be happy to swap coaches


bullshite

All sorts of shite goes on that will "offend one football player" but because this involves religion that is somehow more important.
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 4/18/14 at 1:09 am to
quote:

Even if it offends one football player, this is not ok. Its a public university, if dabo wants to do this he needs to go to Baylor, I'm sure Clemson would be happy to swap coaches


bullshite

All sorts of shite goes on that will "offend one football player" but because this involves religion that is somehow more important.
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
36107 posts
Posted on 4/18/14 at 1:11 am to
It is really hard for this to be voluntary without making someone who chooses not to participate feel marginalized.

If you participate you get more time with the coach and the other players who share your faith. If you do not participate you get less face time and may not get the benefit of the doubt when it comes to playing time or time spent being coached/mentored.
Posted by TigerStripes06
SWLA
Member since Sep 2006
30032 posts
Posted on 4/18/14 at 1:23 am to
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I dont see the big deal

As a solid atheist, and a firm believer there is no such thing as a god, if they get something positive out of it, who cares. They clearly state it's 100% voluntary, if grown men who have the right to vote, want to gather together on their own free time and talk about Thor or Zeus or Buddah, or whatever fictional character they think is out there, so be it.

there's a ton more scandalous shite going on in college football programs bigger than church/state


All of this.
Posted by Kafka
I am the moral conscience of TD
Member since Jul 2007
141682 posts
Posted on 4/18/14 at 1:24 am to
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Even if it offends one football player, this is not ok
When did we start basing policy on whether one person is offended?

When did people get the right not to be offended? Who decides who has the right not to be offended, and who doesn't?

I'm offended by cocksuckers assfricking each other and calling it "marriage".

I'm offended by institutionalized racism and calling it "Affirmative Action".

I'm offended by radicals entrenching themselves in academia in order to indoctrinate naive and unspuspecting minds.

What about my rights?
Posted by MasterofTigerBait
Member since May 2009
7592 posts
Posted on 4/18/14 at 1:25 am to
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bullshite

All sorts of shite goes on that will "offend one football player" but because this involves religion that is somehow more important.




lolz, funny how offending one football player at a public university how it violates the First Amendment.

Bible toters love them some Constitution, they just haven't actually studied it.

Posted by MasterofTigerBait
Member since May 2009
7592 posts
Posted on 4/18/14 at 1:29 am to
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When did people get the right not to be offended? Who decides who has the right not to be offended, and who doesn't?


Public Institution can't afford to blur the lines like this. This is about Religion, if it was about numerous other things it wouldn't be an issue.

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When did people get the right not to be offended? Who decides who has the right not to be offended, and who doesn't?


No one is saying that.


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I'm offended by cocksuckers assfricking each other and calling it "marriage".


No one cares about your homophobia

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I'm offended by institutionalized racism and calling it "Affirmative Action".


No one is saying anything about race but you

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'm offended by radicals entrenching themselves in academia in order to indoctrinate naive and unspuspecting minds.


Yet none of your constitutional rights are being infringed upon

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What about my rights?


LINK
Posted by Kafka
I am the moral conscience of TD
Member since Jul 2007
141682 posts
Posted on 4/18/14 at 1:36 am to
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No one cares about your homophobia
not scared, just nauseated

your inaccuracy offends me
Posted by tbonebrah
Member since Jul 2009
2290 posts
Posted on 4/18/14 at 1:46 am to
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so you can't teach good morals using Islam? you can only use Christianity?


How many charitable events and gatherings that include teaching strong morals are there around the country that involve Atheist and Muslims?






Posted by MasterofTigerBait
Member since May 2009
7592 posts
Posted on 4/18/14 at 1:50 am to
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your inaccuracy offends me


My comments are premised on the fact this was pressured, evidenced by him handing out bibles etc.

If this was truly voluntary and he only invited them, then yes its ok.

Where an individual at a public institution is pressured into attending a religious ceremony, his rights are being infringed upon
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
36107 posts
Posted on 4/18/14 at 2:13 am to
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How many charitable events and gatherings that include teaching strong morals are there around the country that involve Atheist and Muslims?



This really belongs on another board or not at all on TD. A lot of the people who live in different parts of the country are not religious and still believe in charitable work. RE: muslims? There are plenty of US muslim charities such as these:

LINK

The idea that charities are restricted to christians only is a laughably parochial attitude. Most of Western and Northern Europe is not very religious and still believes in charitable work.

Furthermore many religious Christians who claim to be doing charitable work are really not performing charitable work - they are instead engaging in self promotion and political lobbying. Take, for example, the case of Mother Teresa. She still enjoys a saintly reputation in spite of buddying up to dictators and despots and opposing the use of sex education and contraceptive use to reduce the poverty of the third world and slow the spread of HIV. She also never made any serious attempts to reduce poverty by using the money she raised to build institutions that would reduce poverty in the longer term.

know your mother teresa
Posted by hendersonshands
Univ. of Louisiana Ragin Cajuns
Member since Oct 2007
160104 posts
Posted on 4/18/14 at 2:21 am to
The players could have chosen to play at another school without a religious coach if they wanted to.
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
36107 posts
Posted on 4/18/14 at 2:32 am to
Clemson is a public university. This is not Oral Roberts or Liberty University.
Posted by hendersonshands
Univ. of Louisiana Ragin Cajuns
Member since Oct 2007
160104 posts
Posted on 4/18/14 at 2:39 am to
If the players weren't comfortable with it, they could have chosen to play for another coach or they could speak up about it now. I'm all for the separation of church and state but this is just attention seeking.
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
36107 posts
Posted on 4/18/14 at 3:42 am to
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they could have chosen to play for another coach



so they should not expect to receive fair treatment in a public university if they do not share the same version of faith? even assuming he clearly advertises his religion on the recruiting trail I don't think this is fair in a public university.

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or they could speak up about it now


surely you can see that's not an option without consequences. you put yourself at risk of reprisal if you make your coach look bad or question his authority.
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