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re: Anti-Religion group attacks Clemson football program
Posted on 4/17/14 at 11:38 pm to heartbreakTiger
Posted on 4/17/14 at 11:38 pm to heartbreakTiger
Im disappointed that the FRFF hasn't run out of funding and dried up due to lack of funding yet.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 11:46 pm to TigersforEver
Ya I'm sure it is "voluntary."
Even if it offends one football player, this is not ok. Its a public university, if dabo wants to do this he needs to go to Baylor, I'm sure Clemson would be happy to swap coaches
Even if it offends one football player, this is not ok. Its a public university, if dabo wants to do this he needs to go to Baylor, I'm sure Clemson would be happy to swap coaches
Posted on 4/17/14 at 11:47 pm to heartbreakTiger
If it's voluntary and there are no repercussions for not going, I don't care if he invites the team to attend a tent revival in his front yard where speaks in tongues and dances with snakes.
But the article says he's distributing Bibles, if that's on team time it needs to stop. The position of team Chaplin is fine as long as he's a background figure and not in the locker room trying to win hearts and minds.
You can't be a government official favoring one religion over another while on the job. What he does on his own time is his own time.
But the article says he's distributing Bibles, if that's on team time it needs to stop. The position of team Chaplin is fine as long as he's a background figure and not in the locker room trying to win hearts and minds.
You can't be a government official favoring one religion over another while on the job. What he does on his own time is his own time.
Posted on 4/18/14 at 12:38 am to TigersforEver
quote:I'm disappointed that it's necessary
Im disappointed that the FRFF hasn't run out of funding and dried up due to lack of funding yet.
Posted on 4/18/14 at 1:03 am to TigersforEver
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I like Coach Swinney and applaud him for trying to teach these guys more than just football.
So if he was teaching about the Holy Quran, you would be ok with that? Or is it only a certain brand of indoctrination that you endorse?
Posted on 4/18/14 at 1:09 am to MasterofTigerBait
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Even if it offends one football player, this is not ok. Its a public university, if dabo wants to do this he needs to go to Baylor, I'm sure Clemson would be happy to swap coaches
bullshite
All sorts of shite goes on that will "offend one football player" but because this involves religion that is somehow more important.
Posted on 4/18/14 at 1:09 am to MasterofTigerBait
quote:
Even if it offends one football player, this is not ok. Its a public university, if dabo wants to do this he needs to go to Baylor, I'm sure Clemson would be happy to swap coaches
bullshite
All sorts of shite goes on that will "offend one football player" but because this involves religion that is somehow more important.
Posted on 4/18/14 at 1:11 am to CaptainBrannigan
It is really hard for this to be voluntary without making someone who chooses not to participate feel marginalized.
If you participate you get more time with the coach and the other players who share your faith. If you do not participate you get less face time and may not get the benefit of the doubt when it comes to playing time or time spent being coached/mentored.
If you participate you get more time with the coach and the other players who share your faith. If you do not participate you get less face time and may not get the benefit of the doubt when it comes to playing time or time spent being coached/mentored.
Posted on 4/18/14 at 1:23 am to Uncle Stu
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I dont see the big deal
As a solid atheist, and a firm believer there is no such thing as a god, if they get something positive out of it, who cares. They clearly state it's 100% voluntary, if grown men who have the right to vote, want to gather together on their own free time and talk about Thor or Zeus or Buddah, or whatever fictional character they think is out there, so be it.
there's a ton more scandalous shite going on in college football programs bigger than church/state
All of this.
Posted on 4/18/14 at 1:24 am to MasterofTigerBait
quote:When did we start basing policy on whether one person is offended?
Even if it offends one football player, this is not ok
When did people get the right not to be offended? Who decides who has the right not to be offended, and who doesn't?
I'm offended by cocksuckers assfricking each other and calling it "marriage".
I'm offended by institutionalized racism and calling it "Affirmative Action".
I'm offended by radicals entrenching themselves in academia in order to indoctrinate naive and unspuspecting minds.
What about my rights?
Posted on 4/18/14 at 1:25 am to gthog61
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bullshite
All sorts of shite goes on that will "offend one football player" but because this involves religion that is somehow more important.
lolz, funny how offending one football player at a public university how it violates the First Amendment.
Bible toters love them some Constitution, they just haven't actually studied it.
Posted on 4/18/14 at 1:29 am to Kafka
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When did people get the right not to be offended? Who decides who has the right not to be offended, and who doesn't?
Public Institution can't afford to blur the lines like this. This is about Religion, if it was about numerous other things it wouldn't be an issue.
quote:
When did people get the right not to be offended? Who decides who has the right not to be offended, and who doesn't?
No one is saying that.
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I'm offended by cocksuckers assfricking each other and calling it "marriage".
No one cares about your homophobia
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I'm offended by institutionalized racism and calling it "Affirmative Action".
No one is saying anything about race but you
quote:
'm offended by radicals entrenching themselves in academia in order to indoctrinate naive and unspuspecting minds.
Yet none of your constitutional rights are being infringed upon
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What about my rights?
LINK
Posted on 4/18/14 at 1:36 am to MasterofTigerBait
quote:not scared, just nauseated
No one cares about your homophobia
your inaccuracy offends me
Posted on 4/18/14 at 1:46 am to TH03
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so you can't teach good morals using Islam? you can only use Christianity?
How many charitable events and gatherings that include teaching strong morals are there around the country that involve Atheist and Muslims?
Posted on 4/18/14 at 1:50 am to Kafka
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your inaccuracy offends me
My comments are premised on the fact this was pressured, evidenced by him handing out bibles etc.
If this was truly voluntary and he only invited them, then yes its ok.
Where an individual at a public institution is pressured into attending a religious ceremony, his rights are being infringed upon
Posted on 4/18/14 at 2:13 am to tbonebrah
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How many charitable events and gatherings that include teaching strong morals are there around the country that involve Atheist and Muslims?
This really belongs on another board or not at all on TD. A lot of the people who live in different parts of the country are not religious and still believe in charitable work. RE: muslims? There are plenty of US muslim charities such as these:
LINK
The idea that charities are restricted to christians only is a laughably parochial attitude. Most of Western and Northern Europe is not very religious and still believes in charitable work.
Furthermore many religious Christians who claim to be doing charitable work are really not performing charitable work - they are instead engaging in self promotion and political lobbying. Take, for example, the case of Mother Teresa. She still enjoys a saintly reputation in spite of buddying up to dictators and despots and opposing the use of sex education and contraceptive use to reduce the poverty of the third world and slow the spread of HIV. She also never made any serious attempts to reduce poverty by using the money she raised to build institutions that would reduce poverty in the longer term.
know your mother teresa
Posted on 4/18/14 at 2:21 am to TigersforEver
The players could have chosen to play at another school without a religious coach if they wanted to.
Posted on 4/18/14 at 2:32 am to hendersonshands
Clemson is a public university. This is not Oral Roberts or Liberty University.
Posted on 4/18/14 at 2:39 am to molsusports
If the players weren't comfortable with it, they could have chosen to play for another coach or they could speak up about it now. I'm all for the separation of church and state but this is just attention seeking.
Posted on 4/18/14 at 3:42 am to hendersonshands
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they could have chosen to play for another coach
so they should not expect to receive fair treatment in a public university if they do not share the same version of faith? even assuming he clearly advertises his religion on the recruiting trail I don't think this is fair in a public university.
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or they could speak up about it now
surely you can see that's not an option without consequences. you put yourself at risk of reprisal if you make your coach look bad or question his authority.
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