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re: It's not Obama...he is merely a symptom of the larger problem.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 6:07 am to Tyrion Lannister
Posted on 4/17/14 at 6:07 am to Tyrion Lannister
1) The "surplus" Bush inherited was fake.
2) What was there, such as it was, was due to that Republican Congress led by Doctor Evil himself dragging Clinton towards where he needed to go.
Anybody who is old enough to remember the first 2 years of Clinton (you know, when he had HIS party controlling Congress and actual free rein to do what HE wanted) who insists on thinking he was some sort of budget hawk deficit busting crusader is a moron.
3) The 90's were greatly aided by the once in a lifetime building out of the internet.
People tend to get lazy when they aren't challenged. Societies do too. Liberalism is the cheap, low standards, "anything you want to do is alright", "any time you don't succeed someone else is being unfair" horseshite that appeals to people who generally don't want to get off their arse.
2) What was there, such as it was, was due to that Republican Congress led by Doctor Evil himself dragging Clinton towards where he needed to go.
Anybody who is old enough to remember the first 2 years of Clinton (you know, when he had HIS party controlling Congress and actual free rein to do what HE wanted) who insists on thinking he was some sort of budget hawk deficit busting crusader is a moron.
3) The 90's were greatly aided by the once in a lifetime building out of the internet.
People tend to get lazy when they aren't challenged. Societies do too. Liberalism is the cheap, low standards, "anything you want to do is alright", "any time you don't succeed someone else is being unfair" horseshite that appeals to people who generally don't want to get off their arse.
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Posted on 4/17/14 at 7:11 am to constant cough
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I agree Obama didn't elect himself. You have to look at the American people if you want to find blame. By that I mean the 148 million & the 47%.
Youre right . The 148 million elected President Cheney to take us to an intended (with no reason) WAR with Iraq.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 7:21 am to charlieg14
I realize that it's not in your OFA playbooks, but this is about Obama. He as had chances, and he has squandered them. Every piece of his platform has been a disaster.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 7:37 am to Overbrook
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It's amazing how people beat on Obama, but adored the president who, after inheriting a SURPLUS
a)started a war based an utter lie to the American people and which was absolutely unnecessary and ended up destabilizing the middle east.
b)Drove this country into recession.
c)Tanked the stock market by over 50%.
And Obama, who had to pick up these pieces is the inept one.
Ah, yes, we haven't seen these Dim-ocratic talking points in a while.
LC
Posted on 4/17/14 at 7:56 am to CptBengal
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It's not Obama...
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The federal government is completely out of control.
agreed
people just buy into the "figurehead' role of the president. even guys who kinda like Obama, like a Joe Rogan, push it
want to see what i'm talking about? go look at the RINOs lining up to attack Rand Paul to keep their gravy train going
This post was edited on 4/17/14 at 8:00 am
Posted on 4/17/14 at 8:20 am to SlowFlowPro
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people just buy into the "figurehead' role of the president. even guys who kinda like Obama, like a Joe Rogan, push it
I agree that people see the president as a "figurehead" however in reality he is more than that and the president has a lot of leeway in terms of how much influence he would like to inflict on the American people via rhetoric and federal government agencies (as his tools). For example see the difference between Calvin Collage and FDR.
Obama's current role to help facilitate the growth of the federal government is agitator. I'm sure you've recognized it; present strawman and tear it down. The current subjects that he agitates on are war on women, income inequality, racism, guns, and I'm sure there are more I'm forgetting at the moment.
And this is not exclusive to liberals. RINOs love to agitate on foreign policy.
Agitation is required to keep progressives in power. A content, happy populace is not conducive to a strong and growing federal government and to the survival and benefit of those that work in it.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 8:26 am to GumboPot
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Should I feel guilty because I'm pretty happy with my life and don't think that everything's going down the shitter?
no, you should be scared shitless that you are either too naive or dumb to recognize what is going on.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 8:31 am to CptBengal
The ugly truth is, Cpt., that there is a point where even Obama and the 47% become irrelevant. In fact, the more that Obama et al employ unlawful/unconstitutional mandates and punish their ideological opposition...the more that their opposition becomes likely to 'take of the gloves'. The Bundy thing is symptomatic. Only the beginning, unless Obama backs off.
The real problem is that if we (the accosted opposition) take the Government down by going back to traditional Constitutional (economic) models of "spreading the wealth around"...this whole place goes rogue.
Barring a new wave of totally honest political dialogue up there, which sobers up the drunker electorate...I don't know how we deal with the "larger problem". Vision...is not an easy thing to acquire.
The real problem is that if we (the accosted opposition) take the Government down by going back to traditional Constitutional (economic) models of "spreading the wealth around"...this whole place goes rogue.
Barring a new wave of totally honest political dialogue up there, which sobers up the drunker electorate...I don't know how we deal with the "larger problem". Vision...is not an easy thing to acquire.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 8:42 am to VOR
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Should I feel guilty because I'm pretty happy with my life
No.
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don't think that everything's going down the shitter?
If you can objectively look around you and honestly believe that our society isn't worse off than it was 20-30 years ago...then your head is in the sand. You're in denial.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 8:44 am to VOR
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Sorry, I don't feel guilty. I do, however, sort of feel sorry for those of you who seem to be so fricking miserable
You don't feel guilty about laying all that debt on future generations? Is it one of those, "Screw them, I got mine" philosophies with you?
Posted on 4/17/14 at 8:46 am to constant cough
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You have to look at the American people if you want to find blame. By that I mean the 148 million & the 47%.
Americans have fricked up priorities. Americans believe our leaders should provide them free shite instead of implementing a competent foreign policy, lessening the tax burden on the middle class, encouraging job growth, encouraging citizens to be responsible.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 8:48 am to MAROON
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you are either too naive or dumb to recognize what is going on.
On the other hand, it could be, just like in every single generation over the past couple of centuries, there are people who look at the state of the nation and, for whatever reason, draw the conclusion that we are screwed and are going to hell in a handbasket.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 8:49 am to Godfather1
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If you can objectively look around you and honestly believe that our society isn't worse off than it was 20-30 years ago...then your head is in the sand. You're in denial.
In some ways society is better; in some ways it is not. Depends upon what you're describing and your criteria.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 8:50 am to CptBengal
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Just got another research grant
from the government?
Posted on 4/17/14 at 8:58 am to SlowFlowPro
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go look at the RINOs lining up to attack Rand Paul to keep their gravy train going
The thing that encourages me about this is that it's the same thing they tried to do to Ronald Reagan 34 years ago. He just went right over their heads and took his message to the people directly.
Hopefully Rand has half the communication skills RR had.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 9:17 am to Overbrook
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It's amazing how people beat on Obama, but adored the president who, after inheriting a SURPLUS
a)started a war based an utter lie to the American people and which was absolutely unnecessary and ended up destabilizing the middle east.
b)Drove this country into recession.
c)Tanked the stock market by over 50%.
And Obama, who had to pick up these pieces is the inept one.
I tried in vain to find one true phrase in that steaming pile of cat vomit.
How can anyone be as dumb as you?
Posted on 4/17/14 at 9:27 am to GumboPot
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The problem is progressivism. It's never over. They talk about solutions to problems (conversations, ), propose solutions, but they never solve problems.
Really?
Like the end of slavery?
Like woman's suffrage?
Like labor laws?
Like the SEC?
Like civil rights?
You know, just because you disagree with some things a group might do or promote, doesn't mean you have to hate them and see them as evil incarnate.
It wouldn't be unprincipled of you to pick and choose what stands different groups take that you agree with. You don't have to be an ideologue, you can think for yourself.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 9:34 am to Tyrion Lannister
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Over 5 years of Obama and still pointing it back to Bush, at what point can a party accept responsibility? Ever?
Ironic.
Whose fault was the 2008 recession again?
Posted on 4/17/14 at 9:40 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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Whose fault was the 2008 recession again?
Bill Clinton/Andrew Cuomo with their insistence that home ownership was a "right".
Janet Reno for threatening to bring the weight of the Justice Department down on lending institutions that wouldn't make half million dollar mortgage loans to people making $20,000 per year.
George Bush warned Congress in 2005 where this crap was leading us. Nobody listened.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 9:46 am to Godfather1
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Whose fault was the 2008 recession again?
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Bill Clinton/Andrew Cuomo
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at what point can a party accept responsibility? Ever?
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