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re: WSJ goes on the offensive as they take aim at Rand.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 11:35 am to Rohan2Reed
Posted on 4/15/14 at 11:35 am to Rohan2Reed
I apologize. You are absolutely correct. That's what I get for skimming through it. 
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Posted on 4/15/14 at 11:35 am to trackfan
I don't know who Jennifer Rubin is. Are you confusing WSJ with Wapo?
Posted on 4/15/14 at 11:36 am to trackfan
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Certainly Stephens isn't as anti-Paul as Jennifer Rubin, is he?
Is anyone?
Posted on 4/15/14 at 11:36 am to Rohan2Reed
quote:Not that I know of, but I consider anyone who fights for the establishment GOP to be part of the GOP.
Bret Stephens salary is paid by the GOP?
I could be wrong on his intentions though.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 11:38 am to Zach
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I don't know who Jennifer Rubin is. Are you confusing WSJ with Wapo?
WaPo
WaPo2
her obsession
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Jennifer Rubin mentioned Senator Rand Paul’s name 143 times in the first three weeks of March (March 1-21) on her Right Turn blog.
Jesus Christ.
She's as neo as it comes. She hates the guy.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 11:41 am to Rohan2Reed
Sometimes "journalists" have agendas as well.
He's a from a home of big, corporate money. Attended liberal schools and married to someone at a very liberal rag. Sounds like he fits the Rhino establishment role quite well.
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Stephens grew up in Mexico City, the son of Xenia and Charles J. Stephens, a former vice president of General Products, a chemical company in Mexico.[3] After graduating from Middlesex School, Stephens studied political philosophy at the University of Chicago. He earned a masters in comparative politics [3] from the London School of Economics. He is married to Corinna da Fonseca-Wollheim, a music critic who writes for the New York Times. The couple have three children and reside in New York City.
He was editor-in-chief of the Jerusalem Post from 2002 to 2004.[2]
He's a from a home of big, corporate money. Attended liberal schools and married to someone at a very liberal rag. Sounds like he fits the Rhino establishment role quite well.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 11:44 am to Alahunter
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He's a from a home of big, corporate money. Attended liberal schools and married to someone at a very liberal rag. Sounds like he fits the Rhino establishment role quite well.
So for those of us not interested in reading material from Rand Paul's PR department: just make sure you understand the soruce and the biases of the writer - none of them are unbiased trustworthy sources so you have to understand what their angle is.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 11:44 am to Alahunter
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Stephens grew up in Mexico City, the son of Xenia and Charles J. Stephens, a former vice president of General Products, a chemical company in Mexico.[3] After graduating from Middlesex School, Stephens studied political philosophy at the University of Chicago. He earned a masters in comparative politics [3] from the London School of Economics. He is married to Corinna da Fonseca-Wollheim, a music critic who writes for the New York Times. The couple have three children and reside in New York City.
Only someone from Alabama could possibly think this discredits someone's column.
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Attended liberal schools
Everyone with an education worth a shite does.
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married to someone at a very liberal rag
She's a music critic.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 11:49 am to Rohan2Reed
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Jennifer Rubin mentioned Senator Rand Paul’s name 143 times in the first three weeks of March (March 1-21) on her Right Turn blog.
Thanks for the links. I don't read Wapo very much and thought trackfan was referring to a WSJ columnist. Glad to see I'm not going totally senile yet.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 11:49 am to Alahunter
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Sounds like he fits the Rhino establishment role quite well.
Doesn't make his criticism unfair though. I think he's reaching a bit on the race relations point and that aide, but overall I do think he has a point. Attack the message, not the messenger, else one might think he's right.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 11:50 am to TK421
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Only someone from Alabama could possibly think this discredits someone's column.
Just posted his bio. His views are likely a direct result of his upbringing, as anyone's is. How an article is written, often times, exposes their underlying views. Knowing a bit of their background can shed light on the purpose of certain statements made in opinion pieces. As far as making it a regional state, statement.. 21-0.
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Everyone with an education worth a shite does.
So, no college that isn't liberal is worth a shite? The only way to have an education worth a shite is to attend with far left leaning ideologies that frown on conservative thought?
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She's a music critic
And is his wife, and works for a liberal rag. No?
Posted on 4/15/14 at 11:53 am to Duke
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I do think he has a point
Not saying he didn't have a valid one in there at some point.
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I think he's reaching a bit on the race relations point and that aide
Which shows a bit of an agenda. It was a reach and exposed it as a hit piece, rather than investigative journalism. Sharyl Attkisson... now that's an investigative journalist. Read some of her articles, and you don't see opinions laced throughout. Just great research and facts.
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Attack the message, not the messenger, else one might think he's right.
Is that what this guy did? Or did he delve into personal attack a little bit?
Posted on 4/15/14 at 11:58 am to Alahunter
It's an opinion piece. It's his opinion. It wasn't intended to be taken as anything more.
And yes he attacked Paul. What you have done is attacked his background, instead of giving reasons why it wasn't a legitimate attack.
And yes he attacked Paul. What you have done is attacked his background, instead of giving reasons why it wasn't a legitimate attack.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 12:00 pm to Duke
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Doesn't make his criticism unfair though. I think he's reaching a bit on the race relations point and that aide, but overall I do think he has a point. Attack the message, not the messenger, else one might think he's right.
Exactly. If one were to look at my "bio" they would question my purported position on things. I've from a Christian conservative family and my girlfriend is a pretty big liberal. Neither of those aspects of my life reflect my personal political views.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 12:01 pm to Duke
I simply gave my opinion of his piece and why I think he probably leans Rhino. Mine was less of an attack as his, and I have to "legitimize" my opinion?
Posted on 4/15/14 at 12:07 pm to TK421
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I like Rand, but whitewashing his many faults isn't helpful.
Well let's get those faults out there. What are they?
Posted on 4/15/14 at 12:07 pm to Alahunter
Want to get the crux of Stephens' thoughts on the different factions of the Republican party then read this lengthy article by him from Foreign Affairs last year: LINK
He's a defense hawk which naturally runs up against the isolationism and cut spending across the board pubs like Rand.
He's a defense hawk which naturally runs up against the isolationism and cut spending across the board pubs like Rand.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 12:08 pm to Rohan2Reed
So, what was the purpose of pointing out how many electoral votes Kentucky had?
Why compare time in political office to Obama's time in political office, as if what they have accomplished has been the same? Why not mention his accomplishments or failures in other parts of his professional life?
What did the comment his aide made years ago, have to do with the statement, "Republicans to do a better job of reaching out to Hispanics and African-Americans."
The youtube portion was fair, as it addressed something he actually talked about.
Finally, he takes issue with immigration, again, having grown up out of the U.S., it's very likely to have influenced his opinion and I don't see why it's not fair to expose why he may have certain views as well.
I'm not a blind Rand supporter, there's a ton more I want and need to learn from him, his views on foreign affairs and other domestic issues. I like a lot of what I hear from him, but there's still way too much I don't know. Maybe if folks would write opinions on actual things he's done or reported facts, it would educate, instead of basically saying R's should lose big, if he's elected. Which is how I took the article.
Why compare time in political office to Obama's time in political office, as if what they have accomplished has been the same? Why not mention his accomplishments or failures in other parts of his professional life?
What did the comment his aide made years ago, have to do with the statement, "Republicans to do a better job of reaching out to Hispanics and African-Americans."
The youtube portion was fair, as it addressed something he actually talked about.
Finally, he takes issue with immigration, again, having grown up out of the U.S., it's very likely to have influenced his opinion and I don't see why it's not fair to expose why he may have certain views as well.
I'm not a blind Rand supporter, there's a ton more I want and need to learn from him, his views on foreign affairs and other domestic issues. I like a lot of what I hear from him, but there's still way too much I don't know. Maybe if folks would write opinions on actual things he's done or reported facts, it would educate, instead of basically saying R's should lose big, if he's elected. Which is how I took the article.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 12:12 pm to Zach
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I don't know who Jennifer Rubin is. Are you confusing WSJ with Wapo?
No, Rubin writes for the Washington Post, not the WSJ, but she has an obsession with any Republican who doesn't tow the neocon line.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 12:13 pm to Alahunter
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So, what was the purpose of pointing out how many electoral votes Kentucky had?
Most likely to point out that someone like Bush or Rubio from a swing state with more electoral votes would better the chances for the GOP to take the White House.
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Why compare time in political office to Obama's time in political office, as if what they have accomplished has been the same? Why not mention his accomplishments or failures in other parts of his professional life?
There's only so much space for the shortcoming of politicians.
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What did the comment his aide made years ago, have to do with the statement, "Republicans to do a better job of reaching out to Hispanics and African-Americans."
Political associations matter.
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I'm not a blind Rand supporter, there's a ton more I want and need to learn from him, his views on foreign affairs and other domestic issues. I like a lot of what I hear from him, but there's still way too much I don't know. Maybe if folks would write opinions on actual things he's done or reported facts, it would educate, instead of basically saying R's should lose big, if he's elected. Which is how I took the article.
There's a wealth of news media out there to consume. This is one man's take.
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