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re: Can you guess who this quote is from...
Posted on 4/15/14 at 10:57 am to Rex
Posted on 4/15/14 at 10:57 am to Rex
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Don't know... somebody who was trying to sound deep but failed, though.
That must be it. Clearly didn't know what he was talking about. Democracy In America
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Posted on 4/15/14 at 10:58 am to NYNolaguy1
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Alexis de Tocqueville?
If it's de Tocqueville I'll give him the benefit of the possibility that some semantic sense got lost in translation.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 10:58 am to Rex
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It's not deep because it's a lexical semantic failure. Democracy and socialism have much more in common than just the word equality or even the notion of equality. The quote first constructs a false premise only for the purpose of sounding clever later... and then fails to sound clever.
I'm glad to see that you know more about democracy and socialism than Alexis deTocqueville.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 11:01 am to Zach
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I'm glad to see that you know more about democracy and socialism than Alexis deTocqueville.
I didn't claim to know that I know more about democracy and socialism than Alexis de Tocqueville... I only pointed out my objection to that particular quote.
Are you defending the idea that the only thing in common between democracy and socialism is the word equality?
Posted on 4/15/14 at 11:02 am to Rex
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quote:Go ahead, Homesick, can't wait to see what Rex has to say about the failure. It's not deep because it's a lexical semantic failure. Democracy and socialism have much more in common than just the word equality or even the notion of equality. The quote first constructs a false premise only for the purpose of sounding clever later... and then fails to sound clever.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 11:02 am to Rex
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It's not deep because it's a lexical semantic failure.
and folks, THAT is an expert opinion!
Posted on 4/15/14 at 11:10 am to NYNolaguy1
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Alexis de Tocqueville?
The man most often misattributed with saying:
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The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money.
This post was edited on 4/15/14 at 11:11 am
Posted on 4/15/14 at 11:15 am to Bard
That quote I like. It's not as forced as the one in the OP.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 11:26 am to Rex
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Are you defending the idea that the only thing in common between democracy and socialism is the word equality?
No. It's a tiny quote. You want him to write a thesis. I'm sure he could. But he's dead. And it makes you look petty and little.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 11:57 am to Rex
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It's not deep because it's a lexical semantic failure. Democracy and socialism have much more in common than just the word equality or even the notion of equality. The quote first constructs a false premise only for the purpose of sounding clever later... and then fails to sound clever.
It is not a lexical semantic failure on the part of the writer, Tocqueville, as the word socialism was understood at the time he wrote this. Tocqueville wrote this during the Revolutions of 1848, the ideas of the "French Socialists" of 1848 or Blanquists were the pre-cursors of Marxism. This group was violent and radical. French Republicans had made some alliance with the socialists against the monarchists and Tocqueville obviously saw the dangers of such an alliance and his quote should be taken in this context.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 12:11 pm to Rex
Where can we find your tome on philosophy that will be remembered two hundred years from now. I could hand over my original copy to someone down the line to make some money on at auction.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 12:38 pm to NYNolaguy1
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Alexis de Tocqueville?
Yes
Posted on 4/15/14 at 1:17 pm to Jay Quest
Here's the exact quote: During the Revolution of 1848, which toppled King Louis-Philippe, socialism reared its ugly head. Tocqueville was far ahead of his time in seeing why it must mean slavery, as he told fellow representatives: “Democracy extends the sphere of individual freedom, socialism restricts it. Democracy attaches all possible value to each man; socialism makes each man a mere agent, a mere number. Democracy and socialism have nothing in common but one word: equality. But notice the difference: while democracy seeks equality in liberty, socialism seeks equality in restraint and servitude.”
Found here:LINK
Found here:LINK
Posted on 4/15/14 at 2:57 pm to Themole
Thanks for the link. 
Posted on 4/15/14 at 3:43 pm to Zach
Thanks for the link.
My pleasure, Zach.
BTW, if you aren't familiar with that link, there is a wealth of information there. Their archives date back to 1953. That's 732 issues of "The Freeman".
Just click on Archives "The Freeman" from that link and you will have about all the information you could imagine concerning free market economics and constitutional studies.
My pleasure, Zach.
BTW, if you aren't familiar with that link, there is a wealth of information there. Their archives date back to 1953. That's 732 issues of "The Freeman".
Just click on Archives "The Freeman" from that link and you will have about all the information you could imagine concerning free market economics and constitutional studies.
This post was edited on 4/15/14 at 3:45 pm
Posted on 4/15/14 at 5:52 pm to Zach
In the real world a word like 'equality' or 'equilibrium', have no meaning. Inequalities rule: In Nature, political economy, physics, etc.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 6:35 pm to Zach
Ronaldus Magnus for $500
ETA....I was wrong....great quote though
ETA....I was wrong....great quote though
This post was edited on 4/15/14 at 6:47 pm
Posted on 4/15/14 at 6:45 pm to Rex
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That quote I like. It's not as forced as the one in the OP.
Sometimes, it is okay to simply say, "oops. I really was wrong on this one."
I find that to be refreshing and I find more respect for that person than disrespect for the original error.
Just a word to the wise. I hope it is not a waste of time.
When I find myself at odds with an intellect of the like of Tocqueville.....I FIRST assume I may be incorrect and exhaust all possibilities of that before continuing down the path I began.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 6:47 pm to BlackHelicopterPilot
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Sometimes, it is okay to simply say, "oops. I really was wrong on this one."
There was no error.
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When I find myself at odds with an intellect of the like of Tocqueville
There's your problem. I was never at odds with the intellect of de Tocqueville.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 6:54 pm to Rex
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There was no error.
This is why you have few friends
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