re: Hibbert should say f this gig I want to play with AD

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I think Hibbert is over rated

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There is no dominate big man in the NBA right now. So everytime a good C is in the spotlight (last year against the Heat and this year) they are deemed the best big man in the NBA.

He's good, but he's not Shaq or anything. He's really good defensive C with just enough offense to keep an opponent honest.


All that being said, I'd love to have him here.

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But dont we already lead the league in blocks as a team?

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And have one of the worst defenses in the league, giving up the 4th highest OPP FG% (63% ) at the rim in the league.

Blocks alone =/= good defense

Couldn't really be worse than what we have now eh?

Why would Indiana trade a healthy center who has had great numbers (although struggling now) for an underachieving and oft injured SG?

Especially when centers are considered more valuable than a lot of other positions.

Especially when they could most likely get a better SG than EG.

He isn't fitting in on the current roster. Gordon is from Indiana and they could see it as a revival to his career. I don't know what sg you think they can get with the current cap situation they are in... George goes from 3 mil this year to 15.8mil. Hence the reason they can't keep Stephenson. The trade works and Indiana needs outside shooting bad. Gordon is a fairly good spot up shooter that's one thing I can't take away from him.

I really don't think that anyone wants Hibbert at a max contract... He is not max contract material, especially as of late. That's why we are in a unique situation to make the move.

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PT has lost its mind on Hibbert. Counting stats don't tell us everything about a player. He is the best defensive center in the NBA.

He has holes. He is not much of a threat on offense if he isn't getting OREB and his rebounding and attitude have been poor for a few months now. That is alarming. But he is the anchor of the best defense since the 07-08 Celtics (lockout year excluded).

Howard, Noah, and Gasol are better overall centers. Al Jefferson and Boogie have arguably had better seasons. But no center in the league can do what Hibbert does on defense.

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I agree with almost everything here.

Roy Hibbert's primary focus on the court is to protect the rim, where he has been stellar all year. Not a good scorer. Not a good rebounder. But that isn't his role, and everyone bashing Hibbert's performance in this series is ignoring that context.

To pretend like he's had a good end to the season or playoff run would be foolish. But that is largely a function of playing teams who can take him out of his natural element. Atlanta stretched him with Pero Antic and Miami is doing the same with Bosh.. like almost any 7 foot plus center, he struggles mightily defending in space.

He is overpaid and hasn't played well.. but there are a lot of other reasons Indiana is not playing well.

I will respectfully disagree with one of Corndeaux's points based on something Amin Elhassan said.. I think Noah is as good a defender as Hibbert. Hibbert is the anchor to an excellent defense that is designed around his flaws. Indiana's long, strong, athletic wing defenders make Hibbert sagging so far on P/Rs possible b/c they can fight through screens and recover quickly.

Not saying Noah is playing next to scrub defenders, but he is versatile enough to fit into any defensive scheme and have a huge effect on the defense. Hibbert is not quite so versatile, just extraordinary defending the rim.

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You should definitely want this to happen if there was somehow a chance

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I don't. One of the main reasons I watch basketball is for the beauty and execution of the game. Hibbert's game is ugly and blunt. I hate watching Indiana play. It is just really physical, ugly basketball. I'm not totally sure many of those guys translate well to other teams.

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Hibbert has shown that he can be a good ball player and if you pair him with ad that will open his game up so much more.

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That is pure speculation. We have no idea how Davis and Hibbert would mesh. We know Hibbert threw two bitch fits and quit on his team. What happens if he gets upset here? Why would we take that chance? Gordon is a better SG right now than Hibbert is a C. I'd just rather keep Gordon.

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Our front court would lead the league in blocks every year and AD would instantly be better defensively and offensively with a more proven center than he's ever played with before.

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Once again, pure speculation. How would Hibbert help Davis offensively? No one is afraid of anything he can do. Teams would still double Davis. Plus Davis is already the better defender. I don't get putting two great shot blockers together. What does that accomplish, especially when one is a horrible rebounder? I can't think of that ever working before..

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When teams double Davis that opens up hibberts game... Saying that you don't like Hibbert bc he isn't flashy is just stupid

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You just argued that a guy who is the 5th option on one of the worst offensive teams in the league is going to help our Star player get better looks. Is it really crazy to question that logic?

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I totally disagree that Gordon is a better sg than Hibbert is a center, and that honestly goes without being said.

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Whenever Gordon goes out on national tv, in the playoffs and plays like a total embarrassment multiple times, then I'll agree with you. I hate Gordon more than anybody else on here, but he hasn't ever done anything like Hibbert has this postseason. If you are willing to overlook someone shite canning his team's title hopes cause his teammate tapped some girl before he could, then you are a lot more forgiving than I am.