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re: this Nevada issue highlights the true divide in this country....
Posted on 4/13/14 at 9:28 am to HeadLightBanDit
Posted on 4/13/14 at 9:28 am to HeadLightBanDit
quote:No.
Like it or not the government can take your property, any property, public or private, and use it how they see fit.
But under some circumstances the government can pay for that right.
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Posted on 4/13/14 at 9:35 am to NC_Tigah
The image of Obama with a beard... 
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. Posted on 4/13/14 at 9:39 am to RCDfan1950
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The image of Obama with a beard...
Posted on 4/13/14 at 11:48 am to HeadLightBanDit
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Like it or not the government can take your property, any property, public or private, and use it how they see fit.
That is the case, but ought it to be so?
Posted on 4/13/14 at 12:03 pm to Lsupimp
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You are akin to the British loyalist at our nation's founding, a man without personal honor who is oblivious to the fact that he exists to propagate a cruel misanthropy on his fellow Man.
I see you've swallowed whole the candy store version of the revolution that you have no doubt been force fed in your echo chamber your entire life.
Posted on 4/13/14 at 12:05 pm to H.M. Murdock
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H.M. Murdock
this Nevada issue highlights the true divide in this country....
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You're comparing an issue involving private land, and private companies
They don't understand that much, how do you expect them to understand anything?
go back to your nap, little boy ...
Posted on 4/13/14 at 12:12 pm to NC_Tigah
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NC_Tigah
this Nevada issue highlights the true divide in this country....
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and if the farmer doesn't want to sell or allow the pipeline on his/her land, you think the gov (that would be your "conservative" reps) and big oil are just gonna walk away? ...
You're comparing an issue involving private land, and private companies with Harry Reid's attempt at a public land grab in Nevada?
If it comes up in Keystone, it will be settled in the courts.
wouldn't surprise me if reid and his influence are behind this, but i'll leave him out of the argument ... the debate, sans reid, is whether this individual has the right to protest, in whatever manner, the government's handling of property he claims he has some right to use ... yes, those are private companies/landowners along the pipeline route ... someone will, at the behest of the companies, intervene to make the landowners give up their land should they refuse ... that 'someone' is the government, be it courts or eminent domain laws or whatever ... there are a lot of folks on here who will be claiming "the law's the law - landowner's just gotta give it up" ... because they want the pipeline since it fits with their agenda - jobs ... as is the case, most "conservatives" are fine with conservatism, as long as it's not in their "backyard", i.e. wallet ...
Posted on 4/13/14 at 12:17 pm to Big Scrub TX
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the candy store version of the revolution
If you mean devouring American history my entire life, reading dozens of books on the subject, earning a college degree in said subject,and most importantly- playing Thomas Jefferson in my 5th grade play- then yes. Please start a Revolution thread. after my walk we can discuss. I'm sure we would agree on many things about that sad and glorious Revolution.
Posted on 4/13/14 at 12:18 pm to tiderider
The keystone pipeline hypothetical and the Nevada rancher is comparing apples to oranges, period.
Posted on 4/13/14 at 12:24 pm to tiderider
quote:NO!
... the debate, sans reid, is whether this individual has the right to protest, in whatever manner, the government's handling of property he claims he has some right to use ...
The debate is whether the government in this instance has the right to endanger lives of citizens through military thuggery, when readily available civil means exist to address the issue.
Posted on 4/13/14 at 12:38 pm to NC_Tigah
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The debate is whether the government in this instance has the right to endanger lives of citizens through military thuggery
This is what it comes down to IMHO. At no time should the government create an environment that could risk the lives of citizens or government employees.
Ruby Ridge and Waco should never have played out as they did.
Posted on 4/13/14 at 12:51 pm to tiderider
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the debate, sans reid, is whether this individual has the right to protest, in whatever manner, the government's handling of property he claims he has some right to use
Say what?
No, that wasn't the debate. Nobody questioned his right to protest.
The rest of your post is too incoherent to comment upon.
Posted on 4/13/14 at 12:53 pm to Holden Caulfield
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that could risk the lives of citizens or government employees against each other
Hope you don't mind.
Posted on 4/13/14 at 12:56 pm to Homesick Tiger
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Hope you don't mind.
Succinct clarification is always welcome when I fail to do so myself.
Posted on 4/13/14 at 1:13 pm to Rex
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Nobody questioned his right to protest.
As long as he does it in the First Amendment zone, right?
Posted on 4/13/14 at 2:02 pm to Mac
I'll tell yall what. There are numerous pot holes on my street. Now obviously the government is "not holding up their end of the bargain". I'm gonna repair those holes out of pocket on the public street.
Therefore I'm refusing to pay my property taxes indefinitely. I wonder how many of these "patriots" will come to my aid when the law shows up to forcibly remove me from my house so they can sell it at auction?
Therefore I'm refusing to pay my property taxes indefinitely. I wonder how many of these "patriots" will come to my aid when the law shows up to forcibly remove me from my house so they can sell it at auction?
This post was edited on 4/13/14 at 2:07 pm
Posted on 4/13/14 at 2:11 pm to HeadLightBanDit
quote:Not a good idea. They'll likely fine you for that. It's bullshite, I know, but the govt is petty as hell.
I'm gonna repair those holes out of pocket on the public street.
quote:I support this. Get a bunch of people to do it with you and I bet they listen.
Therefore I'm refusing to pay my property taxes indefinitely.
Posted on 4/13/14 at 2:11 pm to tiderider
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wouldn't surprise me if reid and his influence are behind this, but i'll leave him out of the argument ... the debate, sans reid, is whether this individual has the right to protest, in whatever manner, the government's handling of property he claims he has some right to use ... yes, those are private companies/landowners along the pipeline route ... someone will, at the behest of the companies, intervene to make the landowners give up their land should they refuse ... that 'someone' is the government, be it courts or eminent domain laws or whatever ... there are a lot of folks on here who will be claiming "the law's the law - landowner's just gotta give it up" ... because they want the pipeline since it fits with their agenda - jobs ... as is the case, most "conservatives" are fine with conservatism, as long as it's not in their "backyard", i.e. wallet ...
I started a thread on the Keystone pipeline about a year ago raising this exact point. The vast majority of conservatives were A-ok with it.
Let's see how many patriots want to defend a citizen who wants to keep a pipeline from running across his property.
Posted on 4/13/14 at 4:07 pm to tiderider
quote:A lot of people said the same thing during the Civil Rights movement, too. Wonder how those "liberals" feel about being in the same camp of blind allegiance as those that opposed desegregation?
there are a lot of folks on here who will be claiming "the law's the law - landowner's just gotta give it up" ...
Posted on 4/13/14 at 4:09 pm to HeadLightBanDit
quote:Possibly a lot if you're savvy enough to get your story out. It really depends more on you than on them doing the work to bail your arse out.
I wonder how many of these "patriots" will come to my aid when the law shows up to forcibly remove me from my house so they can sell it at auction?
This post was edited on 4/13/14 at 4:10 pm
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