re: Sick of Obama telling everyone how great LBJ was

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Yeah, it changed right about the time he had to win an electoral college instead of a Texas popular vote.

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The CRA did not win LBJ the 1964 vote in any capacity. And to address a former poster, Goldwater wasn't going to beat Kennedy either.

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It was the pivotal issue of the election and he successfully painted Goldwater as a racist because Goldwater opposed LBJ's version of the CRA due to Section II despite the fact that Goldwater had wholeheartedly supported all the previous versions LBJ opposed. Like I said, brilliant politician, shitty person.

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Go and read up on the 1964 election and come back. LBJ destroyed Goldwater for a host of issues that had shite to do with race. It was one of the top 5 worst asswhippings in US electoral history. Pinning down one issue is beyond banal.

frick that "preemptively" asserting his use of the word "n*gger" wasn't important

He specifically said he'd "get the n*ggers voting Democrat for 50 years".

nice to be a dem, you're only "racist" is WE say you're racist

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He specifically said he'd "get the n*ggers voting Democrat for 50 years". Every time I ask for a link to substantiate this internet rumor, all I get is crickets. Can you do any better?

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I just googled it and found pages of it, but whats the point?? Any link posted, youre just gonna say that that site is biased and not believeable.....

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I just googled it and found pages of it, but whats the point?? Any link posted, youre just gonna say that that site is biased and not believeable.....

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And I'm guessing that the reason you won't post the link is because it's from a fringe conspiracy website, because if you could provide a link from a reputable source, or even better yet, an audio or video recording, you would certainly do it. Millercenter.org has links to the audio recordings of every declassified Presidential speech, meeting and phone conversation over the last 50 years, including some rather unflattering recordings of LBJ and JFK. Why would they withhold this LBJ recording if it really existed?

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The CRA did not convey not a single right that did not exist prior to it's passage.

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Due to the rejectionist attitudes of White southerners who were determined to keep Jim Crow alive, the 13th, 14th and 15th Amendments weren't worth the paper they were written on without enforcement mechanisms. You should better inform yourself on the details of the civil rights movement if you really want to understand what Black folks were up against.

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It was important in that it re-defined those rights BUT Eisenhower and Goldwater were right. The rights were there and the government should have been protecting them to begin with. It was the democrats that fought them.

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I don't know what Ike has to due with this since he was out of office when the 1964 CRA was passed, but Goldwater later said that the biggest regret of his career was not voting for the 1964 CRA.

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But, I would not care if the warden that let my innocent grandfather out of his cell and go free did so because he thought "neegers STINK and he did not want one smelling up his jail"

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I hear ya. I'll always credit Nixon for ending the Vietnam War though he really had little choice due to public opinion and knowledge. I knew he wasn't trustworthy but ending the quagmire of death made it much easier to overlook.

Public dissent is the driving force that makes positive changes happen. It keeps politicians in check and we need more of that today.

One interesting thing--

Goldwater supported every CRA until the one in 64 and he supported the 24th amendment.

LBJ on the other hand fought the CRA of 57 and 60 and worked to dismantle them. In fact he and Eastman took the provision in the bills that gave the DOJ the power they needed to enforce the bills out of those early bills then he voted for the 60 bill after he had tore it apart.

JFK fashioned the 64 bill after the bill passed by republicans in 1875 and 57 and added more enforcement authority.

What is interesting is the main thing Goldater opposed in the 64 bill was title 2.

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Title II[edit]
Outlawed discrimination based on race, color, religion or national origin in hotels, motels, restaurants, theaters, and all other public accommodations engaged in interstate commerce; exempted private clubs without defining the term "private".

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In researching this I found a clip of Julian Bond referring to this and saying that Goldwater thought the government should not be dictating to private businesses and that he was wrong to think like that. Goldwater contended the private businesses would change for economic reasons and really history proved him right.

As you see i the title 2 language it only pertained to businesses engaged in interstate commerce--a stretch to say that all hotels were engaged in interstate commerce but that was the underlying rationale the authors used to justify federal involvement.

The bill actually did not apply to that many businesses so what Goldwater said would happen did in fact happen. Nobody that stayed in business for any length of time cared enough about excluding customers based on their race to keep them from doing business.

I have lived in the South all my life and I am in my late fifties. I lived mostly in small towns. I do not recall EVER going to a business that had different facilities for blacks and whites until 1980. The only things I remember segregated were government buildings and only water fountains. I didn't travel or eat out much as a kid so I can not speak to motels. I ask my mother and she said she doesn't remember it either except that in Memphis the blacks rode on the back of the bus and she never knew why.

In 1980 I was living in a small South Georgia town and needed to go to the doctor. I went to the one everyone recommended. He had black and white waiting rooms. I couldn't believe it. They were the same size and equally furnished but separate none the less. Both were full.

I ask the doctor how he could do that. He explained that since he did not take any form of state or government welfare payments the government couldn't stop him.

Latter I learned that he was by far the most popular doctor in town in the white and black communities. He charged $12 for an office visit unless you told him you couldn't pay then he didn't charge at all. It was one of the biggest funerals in town history when he died and he was well into his eighties.

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That doesn't diminish his sincere commitment to Civil Rights, however.

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Was it honestly sincere? Did he truly care abour black people or was he delivering a huge voting block to the democrats?