re: Comic Book Bracket(Marvel Finalized) Updated OP 3/22/14 11:45am

agreed on keeping villains and heroes separate. update the title when the ballots are ready again.

I think folks are missing an important element: what defines god-tier?

"They can't be like Galactus", okay that's a start but it's still to general/vague. There needs to be something a bit more specific, having something (or things) like that will make editing out those characters a lot easier.

Try this: Could any person on this list conceivably beat any other person given a day to plan?

With that, let's take Nightcrawler as an example. Could Nightcrawler conceivably beat the Silver Surfer given a day to prep? Probably not. Could he beat Havok? Sure. That means Nightcrawler and Havok both are okay but the Surfer might be questionable.

So we take the Silver Surfer... Could someone like... Hulk conceivably beat him? If he got angry enough he could rip poor Norrin's arms off and beat him to death with them. So Surfer isn't quite god-tier.

Could someone like Mr. Fantastic beat Hulk? Yes.

Could Cap beat Mr. Fantastic? Yes.

Could Nightcrawler beat Cap? Possibly, if he could get close enough to teleport only Cap's arm away or something.

While this was the long way around, it shows that someone like Surfer could be considered nearly god-tier but still qualifies because he's beatable by non-god-tier characters.

Could Galactus be beaten by any of those mentioned given 24 hours of prep time? No, this means he's definite god-tier and thus disqualified.

Thoughts?

if we are putting in god-tier characters then you have to give legitimate debate into why they win. i think its bullshite someone can say "thor because hes a god and kills wolverine with one hit of his hammer" or something retarded like that.

People have to come to grips that god-tier characters are vulnerable and have the ability to lose. this is not strictly based on powers, personalities must be taken into consideration as well. Most heroes lose and fall based on their personalities, not their powers.

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if we are putting in god-tier characters then you have to give legitimate debate into why they win. i think its bullshite someone can say "thor because hes a god and kills wolverine with one hit of his hammer" or something retarded like that.

People have to come to grips that god-tier characters are vulnerable and have the ability to lose. this is not strictly based on powers, personalities must be taken into consideration as well. Most heroes lose and fall based on their personalities, not their powers.

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I agree with what you are saying.

Its hard to figure out though because you don't want...

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"thor because hes a god and kills wolverine with one hit of his hammer" or something retarded like that.

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But as Freauxzone has pointed out, can you really have a Marvel tournament without Surfer, Thor, etc.

So hard to figure out what to do!

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i really dont consider Surfer a god-tier.

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There are others here that do, so having some sort of feasibility test is the best way to sort it out. With what you mentioned about the Surfer, Danielle Moonstar or Psycho Pirate (DC villain, died in original Crisis) could possibly beat him.

i say you throw them in. but if someone makes a legitimate case for them to be defeated it should be counted. we shouldnt count god-tier cases for a win without something substantial. why would Thor overcome this other heroes abilities?

i mean hulk has taken down thor before. so i think you can put them in. tony stark has also manipulated thor.

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1.) Black Panther
2.) Cable
3.) Captain America
4.) Colossus
5.) Cyclops
6.) Dare Devil
7.) Deadpool
8.) Dr. Strange
9.) Ghost Rider
10.) Hulk
11.) Human Torch, The
12.) Iceman
13.) Jean Grey
14.) Namor
15.) Nova
16.) Psylocke
17.) Silver Surfer
18.) Spider-Man
19.) Storm
20.) Thor
21.) Punisher
22.) Viision
23.) Wolverine
24.) Iron-Man
25.) Black Bolt
26.) ?

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This is my latest update. If everyone can live with this list, we can move on to DC. I also need one more Marvel Hero

Ms Marvel?

ant man or hawkeye for under dogs

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I'll add Kitty Pryde and Hawkeye for under dog value for now.

Gambit will remain a possible wild card.

Black Panther stays for now (Affirmative Action)

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Well if AA is the goal drop Hawkeye for Widow and Take out Daredevil for Ms. Marvel.