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re: Dr. Richard Saul: ADHD Does Not Exist
Posted on 3/17/14 at 1:58 pm to Drew Orleans
Posted on 3/17/14 at 1:58 pm to Drew Orleans
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Again, no I didn't.
Then why get so bent out of shape if I need to take meds to perform at a higher level than you?
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Posted on 3/17/14 at 1:59 pm to UPT
quote:im sorry for your cousin, there is way more money in the private sector.
went to Berkely, and now designs Nuclear Reactors for the US Government.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 2:10 pm to Dick Leverage
quote:Says the employer bitching on TD.
As an employer, I am selecting the one who is going to stay focused on his job, not the one bitching about unfairness of intellect on TD all day.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 2:16 pm to Dick Leverage
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The medicine helps a person who has a "genetic" problem as some of you call it, realize their full intellectual potential. When, in that event , that person starts to out perform you, you see that as unfair. But in reality, they already had a higher intellectual ability than you. The medicine just removes the barrier, allowing them to move into their rightful place ahead of you.
This is the problem. For those of us who are "normal," those who are ahead of us are simply smarter. But if you're behind us in comprehension or memory or attentiveness, you're not intellectually inferior, just impaired. Given the right accommodations, you can even up with those without them.
I understand the "who cares" position as an employer, but in the academic setting that is troubling, especially in professional schools where untimed testing may mean someone gets a job offer or a clerkship over another person.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 2:16 pm to Drew Orleans
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All I'm saying is the strong will survive. It's what got us to where we are now and should continue.
As another poster already observed, clearly that is no longer occurring as it did one million years ago. Primarily through economic, and is some cases medical advances, the "weak" are generally thriving and apparently owning the "strong" among us who are not able to keep up with the higher ACT scores and other academic achievements being achieved through medicine.
Have I somehow misconstrued your earlier post/point on this issue?
Posted on 3/17/14 at 2:17 pm to Drew Orleans
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All I'm saying is the strong will survive. It's what got us to where we are now and should continue.
Be careful what you wish for because you'd be in trouble if we did.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 2:18 pm to Drew Orleans
I don't see how people can even begin to argue that it is safe to give their children a schedule II narcotic, daily. Might as well give them oxycodone when they are having a headache.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 2:23 pm to Pettifogger
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but in the academic setting that is troubling, especially in professional schools where untimed testing may mean someone gets a job offer or a clerkship over another person.
FWIW, the value of grades is highly over-rated now. This "unfair advantage" is mostly bs. I haven't had one employer seem interested in my grades during an interview. And that first job offer is one thing, but continued success doesn't come to just anybody. Especially to someone who has to cheat to get by in school and the first stages of a career. Attitude and smarts get you the rest of the way in an office environment (considering it's not a corrupt shite-hole company).
ETA: Attitude, smarts, and work ethic*
This post was edited on 3/17/14 at 2:25 pm
Posted on 3/17/14 at 2:24 pm to Camel To3
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I don't see how people can even begin to argue that it is safe to give their children a schedule II narcotic, daily. Might as well give them oxycodone when they are having a headache.
My hypothetical kids will not take it but I don't blame my parents for trying. I wasn't completely upfront with how it effected me.
On a side note i always wanted to test my hypothesis that adderall use as a child leads to abuse of other drugs as adults.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 2:25 pm to Displaced
Once again mother is right
Posted on 3/17/14 at 2:29 pm to Camel To3
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I don't see how people can even begin to argue that it is safe to give their children a schedule II narcotic, daily. Might as well give them oxycodone when they are having a headache.
Hey Jenny Macarthy... Please get your medical facts straight...
ADHD medications while in schedule II category, they are not in the narcotic class... They are in the stimulants class...
Posted on 3/17/14 at 2:38 pm to Old Money
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On a side note i always wanted to test my hypothesis that adderall use as a child leads to abuse of other drugs as adults.
Interesting hypothesis. Chemically speaking, mixed amphetamine salts (generic adderall) and cocaine essentially act on the central nervous system in the same manner. I have always been curious if middle age (10-14) children would behave differently if they knew this information. Intuniv (generic guafacine) is a medication (non narcotic, not controlled) used to treat ADHD in childen 6-17. I would like to see a non narcotic used first in every case..
With respect to narcotic ADHD medication for adults, I couldn't care less. Most adults understand the implication of sustained use.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 2:41 pm to Camel To3
That's way more of a scientific approach then I have been thinking. My approach would be more a social science. The idea is that people who have taken pills their whole life to study/work would be more accepting of taking pills for fun or what have you.
This post was edited on 3/17/14 at 2:42 pm
Posted on 3/17/14 at 2:43 pm to CarRamrod
I am not an employer. Sorry, I should have said "If I were an employer."
Posted on 3/17/14 at 2:45 pm to panterica
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FWIW, the value of grades is highly over-rated now. This "unfair advantage" is mostly bs. I haven't had one employer seem interested in my grades during an interview.
Anecdotally, I had a prospective employer and my current employer ask for my GPA and transcripts. In fact, my current employer has not hired people because their grades were not up to par.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 2:48 pm to panterica
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FWIW, the value of grades is highly over-rated now. This "unfair advantage" is mostly bs. I haven't had one employer seem interested in my grades during an interview. And that first job offer is one thing, but continued success doesn't come to just anybody. Especially to someone who has to cheat to get by in school and the first stages of a career. Attitude and smarts get you the rest of the way in an office environment (considering it's not a corrupt shite-hole company).
Grades are still important in many professions. Not long term, but they matter for your first position, which impacts your career trajectory. Getting a federal clerkship in law, or a major firm position, is something that can't often be replicated through grit and determination. The same is true for high level MBA programs and the like.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 2:51 pm to Bmath
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Bmath
Interesting. That would screw me over. Up until my last couple of years of college I struggled to care about grades. They were superficial to me. I was always confident I'd prove myself and do great once that pesky homework shite was out of the way.
ETA: Once I had a prescription it was easier to take it more seriously and stay on top of everything. Go figure. I managed to pull it up to a 3.0 and ended up as president of an industrial technology student organization before I finished. HUGE difference.
This post was edited on 3/17/14 at 2:55 pm
Posted on 3/17/14 at 2:53 pm to Pettifogger
I have a cousin that is ADHD. He takes adderall. When he doesn't take his medicine, he can't focus on anything. Can't get shite done because he bounces from one thing to another. When you're talking to him he jumps from one topic to another nonstop. It's impossible to stay around him because he's always moving around, doing 10 things at once and not getting any of it done, while trying to talk about 5 topics at once and it makes him insufferable to be around. When he takes his adderall, it's almost like an entirely different person. He can focus and have normal conversations. He's still really impulsive but you get used to it.
Whether that disease is real or not, that medication most definitely helps him and improves his quality of life.
Whether that disease is real or not, that medication most definitely helps him and improves his quality of life.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 2:54 pm to Grim
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Who cares if it's over diagnosed?
My gf works as an intern in a pharmacy and she sees trash come in all day with all 5 kids on ADHD medication. Of course they're on MedicAID because they're dirt poor. According to her, ADHD meds are ZERO dollars copay with medicaid. You're tax dollars at work
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