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Posted on 4/10/14 at 8:31 am to Gtothemoney
Posted on 4/10/14 at 8:31 am to Gtothemoney
I am not convinced that his injury changed anything about the plan. If he was in thr plan, this injury could change that, for sure.
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Posted on 4/10/14 at 9:08 am to 42
Well it wouldn't change my plan. I think it would change the plans of potential trade partners.
Posted on 4/10/14 at 10:50 am to 42
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I am currently of the opinion that this team is more fluid in terms of construction than many seem to believe.
I tend to agree. Davis, like Duncan, is/will be so good that a lot of roster permutations can work around him.
I guess the thing that sticks for many is that there is an appearance of inflexibility on the roster at the moment. I think that inflexibility is overstated, but I also see them coming back with most of this roster next season.
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Jrue and Anthony. The end. Everyone else is fodder
Given Montys comments on Anderson and Evans (and the way Evans has been deployed most of the year), that seems like the plan. I don't think Anderson is untouchable, but I don't agree with his assessment of the Anderson/Davis pair. The defense has been bad with everyone, but Anderson's ability from 3 makes Monty's offense go.
I also don't rate Jrue as highly as most Pels fans. He's a fine player, but I don't think his offensive skills are best suited for the role asked of him by the team
Posted on 4/10/14 at 11:40 am to corndeaux
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I also don't rate Jrue as highly as most Pels fans. He's a fine player, but I don't think his offensive skills are best suited for the role asked of him by the team
I agree that it wasn't very pretty this year compared to what we gave up to get him. He's still young though, and this was his first chance to play with real talent. I'm just hoping he's watching the games multiple times and studying while he rehabs.
I don't think any conclusions can really be based off this season regarding Jrue though. I'll wait til next year to really form an opinion now that he's hopefully seen the strengths/weaknesses of each player on the team while being removed from the equation.
Posted on 4/10/14 at 7:24 pm to ShamelessPel
Certainly time for Holiday to improve.
My doubts with him are more on the staff than his overall ability. Asking him to play the Paul/Jack/Vasquez role we've seen from a lead pg in a Monty offense is a bad idea IMO
My doubts with him are more on the staff than his overall ability. Asking him to play the Paul/Jack/Vasquez role we've seen from a lead pg in a Monty offense is a bad idea IMO
Posted on 4/10/14 at 7:31 pm to corndeaux
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Given Montys comments on Anderson and Evans (and the way Evans has been deployed most of the year), that seems like the plan. I don't think Anderson is untouchable, but I don't agree with his assessment of the Anderson/Davis pair. The defense has been bad with everyone, but Anderson's ability from 3 makes Monty's offense go.
I also don't rate Jrue as highly as most Pels fans. He's a fine player, but I don't think his offensive skills are best suited for the role asked of him by the team
To be clear, I am not saying the team is right or that their plan aligns with my desires, but I think Anderson has been a very nice extra to them, not a necessity. I am more trying to understand their position, not justify it.
Posted on 4/10/14 at 9:10 pm to 42
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I am more trying to understand their position, not justify it
Absolutely. I wasn't trying to attack you. Sorry if it came out that way.
Though I do wonder how simpatico Monty and Dell are in terms of building. The Evans handling and public comments from Monty seem to indicate either a misunderstanding of Evans and his skills or an outright distaste for him joining the team
Posted on 4/11/14 at 12:00 am to corndeaux
It did not come off that way. I just wanted to make sure a distaste for Anderson, etc. would not be attributed to me.
Eh, I think quibnles about non-key players are less important. They agree on Davis, Holiday. The rest is is killing time, at least accoding to my current thinking.
Eh, I think quibnles about non-key players are less important. They agree on Davis, Holiday. The rest is is killing time, at least accoding to my current thinking.
Posted on 4/11/14 at 6:57 am to 42
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I think quibnles about non-key players are less important. They agree on Davis, Holiday. The rest is is killing time, at least accoding to my current thinking.
That seems like the plan. 2 things stick out when I put myself in that mindset:
A) Demps gave Monty a full roster of small ball, funky players when Monty either has no desire or no clue how to play that way. If the plan is to flip assets, they do need to be at least somewhat desirable.
B) $44M and a starting C on a good 2 year deal is a hefty price to pay just to kill time with Evans. Especially if you aren't going to play small.
What truly worries me is they still don't have much of an organizational philosophy that I can discern.
Posted on 4/11/14 at 7:54 am to corndeaux
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What truly worries me is they still don't have much of an organizational philosophy that I can discern.
I really think Demps thought he'd have been able to move Gordon by now. His cap space lets you turn this "funky small ball" team into a balanced team that can play big or small. I agree with 42 to the extent that the team sees Jrue and AD as the franchise building blocks, but this roster works with a starting caliber 3 and D SF and defensive big instead of Gordon. We also could be confusing miscalculation, his ability to move Gordon, with confident patience, knowing/thinking he'll be here long enough to minimize the cost of moving Gordon and then balancing the roster in the 2015 offseason with someone like Asik and Jeff Green.
Posted on 4/11/14 at 2:02 pm to TigerinATL
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I really think Demps thought he'd have been able to move Gordon by now
The landscape seems to have shifted post CBA.
I think Demps, like Monty, has done fine- not great, just fine. 4 years in, I'm still trying to figure out what the structure is. I get that they have been rebuilding, but I would have liked to have seen more of an organizational identity at this point
Besides being largely forgotten/unknown, what is the profile of a Demps player? Besides being scrappy, what does a Monty team do? To be sure those traits are valuable, but I don't know if that's going to get the team where we all want it to go.
Maybe they are building something on that level and I just don't see it.
Thoughts?
Posted on 4/11/14 at 2:23 pm to corndeaux
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what is the profile of a Demps player?
When researching him when he got the job, he was being given credit for playing a role in the drafting of Ariza in New York and the signing of Richard Jefferson in San Antonio. He was brought here in large part because of his background in San Antonio, and we've heard elements of the San Antonio blue print being mentioned with regards to team building, ie AD in a Tim Duncan role, Tyreke in a Manu Ginobli role, and I'm pretty sure they've thrown Tony Parker's name out, I just don't remember who in reference to.
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what does a Monty team do?
They hang their hat on defense... Back to the San Antonio blue print, Monty drops Pop's name a lot. Doc Rivers may be the only other coach that's closer to Monty's heart. And he talks about things that are Spurs style basketball, like they want X number of passes before getting a shot, we just rarely see Spurs style basketball executed by the Pelicans. There also was the offseason practice with the Spurs which no doubt was done in hopes that something would rub off. I'm not saying the Pels are the Spurs 2.0, but Monty and Dell have always sought out the trusted and familiar so I wouldn't be surprised if that's what they are aiming for.
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Maybe they are building something on that level and I just don't see it.
Gordon is preventing the team from acquiring 40% of it's starting lineup, the picture will be murky until he's off the roster.
This post was edited on 4/11/14 at 2:24 pm
Posted on 4/11/14 at 6:14 pm to TigerinATL
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Richard Jefferson
This is a bit harsh, but the one Spurs move the last 15 years that was a disaster?
And that doesn't really answer my question about the guys he's gotten to NO. I've asked that here, BSS, Bird Writes and have never really seen a satisfactory answer
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talks
Kurt Rambis and other Phil assistants talked about riding the Triangle and the teachings of Phil to Bulls/Lakers type success too.
All the successful teams in the league go beyond talk and have an identity- a philosophy about how they play and who they are. Yes, talent helps and shapes that philosophy, but talent without a framework is useless. How were last year's Lakers and vice versa; just how talented are this year's Suns? Marco Belinelli and Boris Diaw are 2nd and 4th in MP on a 60+ win team in the brutal West. It ain't all about talent
I just don't see a culture here that defines Pelicans basketball. After the moves this summer to get Holiday and Evans, I was expecting to see a better idea of whom they want to be. That we didn't see that (injuries, sure, but plenty of teams had injuries too) bugs me most about this season- much more than any trades, signings, rotations, play calls, etc.
I'm not trying to be a dick, just trying to have a conversation about what irks me and see what y'all think.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 2:36 pm to corndeaux
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What truly worries me is they still don't have much of an organizational philosophy that I can discern.
This is exactly what I've been poking on myself. Basically, is this as good as it gets?
I think no. I think we don't see the philosophy clearly partially because of the need to put out a viable team while trying to build a title team, and partially because of all the rhetoric it requires to do such business in the NBA these days.
Stated another way, I think we have been told a part of the puzzle (young vets), and that is bearing out. What I think we do not see is that there will be another attempt to bring in a key player. That player, if they are successful, will be a long-term piece. That player along with Holiday and Davis will form the core, and then things will get clearer as they shore up that group with more interchangeable players.
Personally, I think this player will be a youngish big. I have personal preferences and thought, but I have no clue if I'm correct, much less who they would actually target (are targeting?).
Posted on 4/13/14 at 8:47 pm to 42
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I think we don't see the philosophy clearly partially because of the need to put out a viable team while trying to build a title team, and partially because of all the rhetoric it requires to do such business in the NBA these days.
Yeah. I guess I am just terribly confused by the Evans move. I like Evans. I like his game, warts and all. I liked the trade because I interpreted it as a move toward a coherent philosophy.
Based on the evidence I saw this year, and if the team's repeated comments on the role of Davis are to believed, I was way off base.
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What I think we do not see is that there will be another attempt to bring in a key player
I agree that they have been and still are angling for another piece of the Tri-Force.
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Personally, I think this player will be a youngish big. I have personal preferences and thought, but I have no clue if I'm correct, much less who they would actually target (are targeting?).
Interesting. Want to share? No judging from me- can't make the same promise for the other 5 people that are still reading this thread.
In my dream world, they Jedi Mind Trick SA for Kawhi Leonard. I think a versatile 3 next to Davis would be dynamite. Then again, I don't believe Davis is mainly a PF. As for realistic options, I have to think about it for a while. Nothing really pops up for me right now.
Posted on 4/13/14 at 9:18 pm to corndeaux
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I think we don't see the philosophy clearly partially because of the need to put out a viable team while trying to build a title team, and partially because of all the rhetoric it requires to do such business in the NBA these days.
Yeah. I guess I am just terribly confused by the Evans move. I like Evans. I like his game, warts and all. I liked the trade because I interpreted it as a move toward a coherent philosophy.
Based on the evidence I saw this year, and if the team's repeated comments on the role of Davis are to believed, I was way off base.
I think this year was so fricked up by injuries that it's really difficult, if not impossible, to know what would have developed with a healthy roster. I do agree that some of Monty's comments, not to mention his lineups in certain situations, were disconcerting.
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I agree that they have been and still are angling for another piece of the Tri-Force.
Absolutely agree the plan is for Davis, Holiday and another significant player to form the core.
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Then again, I don't believe Davis is mainly a PF
How do you see him? A hybrid of sorts? If so . . . a 4/5?
Posted on 4/13/14 at 9:52 pm to VOR
I see his game, as of now, trending more towards the 3 than the 5.
Posted on 4/13/14 at 10:11 pm to Gtothemoney
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I see his game, as of now, trending more towards the 3 than the 5.
He does seem to have the mobility and athleticism, but would you sacrifice his defense around the rim?
Posted on 4/13/14 at 10:20 pm to VOR
Can't we have both? 
Posted on 4/13/14 at 10:36 pm to Gtothemoney
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Can't we have both?
Well, since it's pretty much a lock that a miracle will happen and we actually have a draft choice, problem solved.
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