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re: NCAA Football Rules Committee Adjusts Targeting Rule, Defensive Substitutions
Posted on 2/12/14 at 4:44 pm to Poxxxx says GFR
Posted on 2/12/14 at 4:44 pm to Poxxxx says GFR
Herb Hand
?@CoachHand
Here's a thought, Team is down by 14 points with 5:30 minutes to go in the game...is this considered a two minute situation?
#JustWondering
?@CoachHand
Here's a thought, Team is down by 14 points with 5:30 minutes to go in the game...is this considered a two minute situation?
#JustWondering
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Posted on 2/12/14 at 4:46 pm to RollTide1987
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Really? Were you around in the early-20th Century when it was first introduced?
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“Because of these rules and the fact coaches at that time thought the forward pass was a sissified type of play that wasn’t really football, they were hesitant to adopt this new strategy,” says Kent Stephens, a historian with the College Football Hall of Fame in South Bend, Indiana.
Posted on 2/12/14 at 4:47 pm to Keys Open Doors
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I think defenses should have the opportunity to substitute players and not have it completely determined by the offense.
they already have to opportunity to change players out
too bad so sad if the coaches cant get them ready fast enough.
Posted on 2/12/14 at 4:47 pm to Keys Open Doors
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Both changes sound good to me.
Posted on 2/12/14 at 4:48 pm to BeYou
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Here's a thought, Team is down by 14 points with 5:30 minutes to go in the game...is this considered a two minute situation?
Here's the thing I have a problem with. If they allow the player to get in his pre-snap position before they release the ball for play.
It basically takes about 11 seconds to get set I would estimate as it is now.
But if the ref stands over the ball, it artificially slows down the play to a degree that will hinder the development of the game.
Posted on 2/12/14 at 4:50 pm to BeYou
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Herb Hand
?@CoachHand
Here's a thought, Team is down by 14 points with 5:30 minutes to go in the game...is this considered a two minute situation?
#JustWondering
this example is exactly why this change is moronic.
say you have a 10 play drive
well, that is 1 minute and 40 seconds you will be required to burn off on top of whatever runs off as you play.
Its essentially a 10 second penalty run off on every single fricking play for 97% of the game.
This post was edited on 2/12/14 at 4:52 pm
Posted on 2/12/14 at 4:52 pm to BeYou
I hate rules that only apply to portions of the game. If a rule isn't a rule for the 4 minutes during the game why is it a rule at all?
This is just like coach reviews in the NFL. I hate it.
This is just like coach reviews in the NFL. I hate it.
Posted on 2/12/14 at 4:54 pm to KosmoCramer
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“Because of these rules and the fact coaches at that time thought the forward pass was a sissified type of play that wasn’t really football, they were hesitant to adopt this new strategy,” says Kent Stephens, a historian with the College Football Hall of Fame in South Bend, Indiana.
You still didn't answer my question.
Posted on 2/12/14 at 4:55 pm to Dr RC
Even when a team is running fast-paced at break neck speed, rarely do you see them snap it within 10 seconds of the 40-second clock starting. All the rule does is allow defenses to sub in and out during this time.
Posted on 2/12/14 at 4:56 pm to RollTide1987
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Even when a team is running fast-paced at break neck speed, rarely do you see them snap it within 10 seconds of the 40-second clock starting. All the rule does is allow defenses to sub in and out during this time.
But would the ref stand over the ball? What about times when a team wants to clock it at 2:01?
Posted on 2/12/14 at 4:58 pm to LSUSilverfox
the average team runs about 75 to 80 plays per game.
lets say 65 of those are run outside the magical 2 minute mark.
ok well that means each is going to be forced to waste a little under 11 minutes each wasting for the other team to line up.
a typical game is going to see teams spend required a minimum of 22-23 minutes JUST LINING UP.
lets say 65 of those are run outside the magical 2 minute mark.
ok well that means each is going to be forced to waste a little under 11 minutes each wasting for the other team to line up.
a typical game is going to see teams spend required a minimum of 22-23 minutes JUST LINING UP.
This post was edited on 2/12/14 at 4:59 pm
Posted on 2/12/14 at 5:00 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
I like it because it will cut down on defensive players faking injuries.
I hate it when a guy goes down for 20 seconds, he's backup and jogs to the sideline and we have to wait around for the commericals they went to end.
I hate it when a guy goes down for 20 seconds, he's backup and jogs to the sideline and we have to wait around for the commericals they went to end.
Posted on 2/12/14 at 5:03 pm to TigerintheNO
Worth noting: In "non-rules change years, proposals can only be made for ... safety reasons or [that modify] a previous rules change."
So the committee basically had to say this was for safety reasons, even though there's no evidence that it is.
So the committee basically had to say this was for safety reasons, even though there's no evidence that it is.
Posted on 2/12/14 at 5:07 pm to TigerintheNO
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I like it because it will cut down on defensive players faking injuries.
you know what would also do that?
make the player stay out at least 5-10 plays if he goes down instead of letting them come back in the very next play.
Posted on 2/12/14 at 5:42 pm to BeYou
quote:Faking injuries has also created the perception that the HUNH has made the game less safe.
So the committee basically had to say this was for safety reasons, even though there's no evidence that it is.
Posted on 2/12/14 at 5:47 pm to LSUSilverfox
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I hate rules that only apply to portions of the game. If a rule isn't a rule for the 4 minutes during the game why is it a rule at all?
This right here
If the rule has to be altered towards the end of the game, it shouldn't be a rule.
Why am I not allowed to spike the ball in the first quarter to stop the clock without 10 seconds running off if I want to?
Here is a crazy scenario that might never happen but hey it's possible:
The offense has the ball on the 30yd line with a 30mph wind at their back and 12 seconds to got in the 1st, it's 2nd and 25. For whatever reason the team has used all of its timeouts (challenges and what not). They run a screen pass, the receiver catches it and is tackled immediately, it's now 3rd and 25 with 8 seconds left in the first.
Before the rule change I would have been allowed to hurry up to the line and spike the ball, stopping the clock and allowing me to kick a fg with the wind helping me.
With the new rule the clock runs out, we have to reverse field and now I'm facing 3rd and 25 on the 30 with a 30mph wind in my face, which means I'll probably have to run a play and punt the ball.
I know that is a crazy scenario, but with 100's of College teams playing crazy scenarios come up, and if these rule changes are going to effect game strategy they shouldn't be allowed
Posted on 2/12/14 at 7:29 pm to Tiger1242
The game is already slow and boring through half of it, I hope all teams go warp speed and maybe we can protest so many commercial breaks.
Football needs to take a page from soccer and try to have continuous game flow.
Football needs to take a page from soccer and try to have continuous game flow.
Posted on 2/12/14 at 9:59 pm to goldennugget
If every year is two. One where we went to OT of a ridiculous catch that did not have conclusive evidence to either confirm or deny it was made (this year we were manhandeled for a while though). Also, two years ago we more blew the game vs Stanford rather than them winning.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 1:45 pm to cascadia
Mike Leach said it best: "It’s always been a game of creativity and strategy. So anytime someone doesn’t want to go back to the drawing board or re-work their solutions to problems, then what they do is to beg for a rule. I think it’s disgusting...Worry about your own team and try to make your product better rather than trying to change the game so you don’t have to do anything.”
Posted on 2/13/14 at 1:56 pm to cascadia
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If every year is two. One where we went to OT of a ridiculous catch that did not have conclusive evidence to either confirm or deny it was made (this year we were manhandeled for a while though). Also, two years ago we more blew the game vs Stanford rather than them winning.
You need to start quoting people. I have no idea what or whom you're referring to.
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