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re: Detroit Pistons have fired coach Mo Cheeks
Posted on 2/9/14 at 11:44 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 2/9/14 at 11:44 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
signed josh smith to a max contract
was his a max deal? sorry I'm not too familiar with NBA cap #s.
Either way, I wasn't a fan of that move (or a good # of his FA moves)
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Posted on 2/9/14 at 11:45 am to SpartyGator
4 years, $54M
close enough to a max deal
close enough to a max deal
Posted on 2/9/14 at 11:46 am to Epic Cajun
Detroit, Charlotte, Sacramento, and most bottom feeders have the same things in common: Firing coaches every other Thursday.
A revolving door at head coach never works. They end up turning over the roster every few years to bring in the new guy's "type of player," eventually falling into a perpetual rebuild, pretending that next year is finally the year all those lottery picks they've collected actually turns into something worthwhile in the standings.
A revolving door at head coach never works. They end up turning over the roster every few years to bring in the new guy's "type of player," eventually falling into a perpetual rebuild, pretending that next year is finally the year all those lottery picks they've collected actually turns into something worthwhile in the standings.
Posted on 2/9/14 at 11:46 am to SlowFlowPro
I knew the deal, just wasn't sure if 13-14M was considered max $$.
Thanks for clearing that up
Thanks for clearing that up
Posted on 2/9/14 at 11:47 am to SpartyGator
it's not technically the max i don't think, and i should have said near-max
Posted on 2/9/14 at 11:49 am to SlowFlowPro
no, don't worry about it
I'm kind of curious about the NBA salary #s/caps in general.
I'm kind of curious about the NBA salary #s/caps in general.
This post was edited on 2/9/14 at 11:50 am
Posted on 2/9/14 at 11:50 am to eyeran
My point was that keeping a coach too long and firing coaches too early are both bad things. When I said the Pels should take notes I was referring to this single season, not the trend of Detroit firing coaches left and right. That it's okay to give a coach his walking papers. I realize that it probably won't happen due to all of the injuries that the Pels have faced this seas.
Posted on 2/9/14 at 11:53 am to eyeran
quote:
Firing coaches every other Thursday.
3 1/2 years =/= every other Thursday btw.
Posted on 2/9/14 at 11:56 am to SpartyGator
typically anything on a 2nd contract that's in that 14-15M range is just called "max" deal
Posted on 2/9/14 at 11:57 am to Gtothemoney
quote:Predictable that your obsession would lead you to believe my post had anything to do with Monty.
3 1/2 years =/= every other Thursday btw.
Cheeks got fired after 50 games. Thats stupid
This post was edited on 2/9/14 at 12:00 pm
Posted on 2/9/14 at 11:59 am to eyeran
the frick is cheeks going to do with drummond, monroe, and josh smith being promised a starting spot by dumars?
play josh smith at the 3 of course
and then add in brandon jennings chucking the shite out of the ball and a rookie at the 2, and you're going to have some ugly arse basketball without much variability or ability to play prettier
play josh smith at the 3 of course
and then add in brandon jennings chucking the shite out of the ball and a rookie at the 2, and you're going to have some ugly arse basketball without much variability or ability to play prettier
Posted on 2/9/14 at 12:08 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Its was a clusterfrick almost everybody saw coming from a mile away.
the frick is cheeks going to do with drummond, monroe, and josh smith being promised a starting spot by dumars?
play josh smith at the 3 of course
and then add in brandon jennings chucking the shite out of the ball and a rookie at the 2, and you're going to have some ugly arse basketball without much variability or ability to play prettier
And the thing is, in the right situation, I think Josh Smith is a really nice player. Just not playing the 3 on a team with Monroe and Drummond.
Jennings is just terrible, though. A volume shooting PG who shoots sub-40% every single year is never leading a team to anything good.
Now Dumars, with his job on the line, has to decide whether or not to trade Monroe cause nobody is gonna free him of Smith's contract at this point.
Posted on 2/9/14 at 12:11 pm to 805tiger
It was evident to anybody who spent more than five minutes watching the Pistons that Cheex needed to go. Of course, he wasn't exactly a great hire to begin with.
Posted on 2/9/14 at 12:13 pm to eyeran
you can win with a guy like jennings, but not having him surrounded by josh smith and andre drummond, without any legit outside threats
if they had magically been able to acquire iggy instead of smith, they'd be in a much better spot. better perimeter defending and a 2nd facilitator for jennings/monroe. they'd still need an outside shooter, but maybe KCP turns into that
jennings and smith are versatile/good players, but flawed ones
now...had they moved monroe for kyle korver, smith/drummond would be an interesting front court
if they had magically been able to acquire iggy instead of smith, they'd be in a much better spot. better perimeter defending and a 2nd facilitator for jennings/monroe. they'd still need an outside shooter, but maybe KCP turns into that
jennings and smith are versatile/good players, but flawed ones
now...had they moved monroe for kyle korver, smith/drummond would be an interesting front court
Posted on 2/9/14 at 12:26 pm to brgfather129
The main problem is...you simply cannot even remotely contend when your three best players cannot be on the floor simultaneously at crunch time. That's why I was more in favor of an Iguodala than Josh Smith.
That said...they aren't even competitive most nights and much of that falls on Cheex. The offense goes stagnant for long stretches, Monroe has been treated like a glorified garbage man on offense, multiple in-game incidents with players, defense is terrible, no improvement defensively, benched KCP for Singler at the 2, wildly inconsistent rotations...time to go, cut your losses.
The Pistons as constructed are in no position to contend for the East, but being on the outside looking in is bullshite and a complete failure.
I love Monroe, but the Pistons need to move him. They can improve tremendously by trading him.
That said...they aren't even competitive most nights and much of that falls on Cheex. The offense goes stagnant for long stretches, Monroe has been treated like a glorified garbage man on offense, multiple in-game incidents with players, defense is terrible, no improvement defensively, benched KCP for Singler at the 2, wildly inconsistent rotations...time to go, cut your losses.
The Pistons as constructed are in no position to contend for the East, but being on the outside looking in is bullshite and a complete failure.
I love Monroe, but the Pistons need to move him. They can improve tremendously by trading him.
Posted on 2/9/14 at 2:45 pm to eyeran
They also have incompetent GMing involved
Teams like PHI/TOR/MIL/ORL have righted their ships after they finally brought in new GMs.
Teams like PHI/TOR/MIL/ORL have righted their ships after they finally brought in new GMs.
Posted on 2/9/14 at 2:46 pm to LosLobos111
quote:
Teams like PHI/TOR/MIL/ORL have righted their ships after they finally brought in new GMs.
Posted on 2/9/14 at 2:52 pm to LSU Piston
Lionel Hollins time in Detroit. He seems like a perfect fit.
Posted on 2/9/14 at 3:15 pm to RTR America
Are Mo's sons Butt and arse still in the league?
Posted on 2/9/14 at 3:16 pm to LSU Piston
quote:
LSU Piston
Uljiri has turned rudy gay into vasquez/salmons/Hayes
They'll probably decline salmons to free up more cap space(or flip him+Amir) and if uljiri can get rid of gay he can ditch fields as well.
That gives them 20+ Mil in cap space plus an already solid young core(Lowry/Derozan/Valucias/Ross)
Hinkie for PHI is very much an advanced numbers geek which is the trend these days
He'll have two lottery picks+30 mil in cap+MCW/Turner/Young
Not bad for your first year.
ORL has Oladipo/Harris/Vucevic/Harkless on cheap deals and will have trade assets in Nelson/Afflalo+Cap space
New bucks GM got rid of Jennings for a cheaper option in Knight(who has improved) and a nice young frontcourt of Henson/Sanders(when healthy)
Also some good pieces in giannis/illyasova/Mayo(The later two will probably be moved when they get wiggins/parker)
They're all in much better shape than 1-2 years ago
This post was edited on 2/9/14 at 3:17 pm
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