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Posted on 2/2/14 at 12:33 pm to Powerman
quote:Based on what?
It claims that it narrows it in a very minimal way.
Posted on 2/2/14 at 12:33 pm to Powerman
But tort reform is the only thing conservatives have to change. Now that Obama stole their forced insurance idea, they have nothing.
Nothing.
Nothing.
Posted on 2/2/14 at 12:50 pm to Tigah in the ATL
quote:So what's the big objection?
But tort reform is the only thing conservatives have to change. Now that Obama stole their forced insurance idea, they have nothing.
Posted on 2/2/14 at 12:51 pm to Powerman
I'd like to see the average number of medical visits per year per capita among the various countries. Apart from being notably more healthy, I imagine most Norwegians aren't frequent fliers to the ER multiple times a month either.
If it's a demand problem (i.e. there is excess demand for medical services in this country owing to our relative unhealthiness and abuse of medical services), then you can tinker with the supply side all day to less avail.
If it's a demand problem (i.e. there is excess demand for medical services in this country owing to our relative unhealthiness and abuse of medical services), then you can tinker with the supply side all day to less avail.
Posted on 2/2/14 at 12:51 pm to Tigah in the ATL
quote:
But tort reform is the only thing conservatives have to change. Now that Obama stole their forced insurance idea, they have nothing.
Nothing.
opening up the markets across state lines
frick you.
You can go google Michael Burgess for a whole list of ideas they have.
frick you, read and stop relying on the shite you are spoonfed.
Posted on 2/2/14 at 12:56 pm to Powerman
quote:
My op doesn't claim that it closes the gap. It claims that it narrows it in a very minimal way.
And that is your walking back from the other thread where you stupidly claimed that there was no closing of the gap.
Posted on 2/2/14 at 1:06 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
Based on what?
Math
Posted on 2/2/14 at 1:07 pm to Zach
quote:
And that is your walking back from the other thread where you stupidly claimed that there was no closing of the gap.
If the gap is still there it isn't closed. It's merely narrowed.
Simple semantics.
Posted on 2/2/14 at 1:09 pm to Zach
quote:
Well, that's anecdotal but it's true. Not in terms of your dollar percentage because we don't know.
So you're going to take the anecdotal number that he just arbitrarily pulled out of his arse over what actual studies on the matter say?
That's pretty brilliant
Posted on 2/2/14 at 1:15 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
So what's the big objection?
There is no big objection regarding tort reform (at least not from me)
I'm merely acknowledging that it will have a minimal overall cost impact. With all the tort reform you could possibly muster we would still have far and away the most expensive health care system in the world. The cost savings from tort reform aren't that large in the scheme of things.
Posted on 2/2/14 at 1:22 pm to Powerman
Malpractice isn't the problem. Insurance is the problem. "Somebody else" paying for any good/service drives the prices up. Forcing people to hire "someone else" pay for a good/service drives the cost up even faster.
Posted on 2/2/14 at 1:22 pm to Powerman
quote:
actual studies
Actual bullshite in this case
Posted on 2/2/14 at 1:23 pm to Powerman
Still I've seen nothing in this thread articulating the cost and comparison of actual treatment. How many tests are done here compared to the other developed countries? How many procedures? How many prescriptions? You can't discount defensive medicine.
Also please break your leg in Canada and tell us about your healthcare experience up there and then get back to us.
Also please break your leg in Canada and tell us about your healthcare experience up there and then get back to us.
Posted on 2/2/14 at 1:25 pm to Patrick O Rly
quote:
1) Insurance became the primary payment method
2) They operate in these monopolized markets
3) There are layers and layers of admin cost
It's a giant Rube Goldberg machine.
Yes.
Upvote.
Posted on 2/2/14 at 1:30 pm to gthog61
quote:
opening up the markets across state lines
That doesn't really matter all that much if the payment for EVERYTHING in healthcare is insurance based. Can you imagine how expensive auto-insurance would be if it paid for gas, oil, tire changes etc?
And then you have medicare that operates on it's own set of rules and mucks up any markets there may be.
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Posted on 2/2/14 at 1:33 pm to Powerman
Don't know what else Louisiana could do in regards to med mal tort reform. There is a combined $500,000 cap on economic (lost wages) and non-economic (pain and suffering) damages that has been the same since 1975. (Yes, that's right--1975!!) In addition, there are no punitive damages.
In a med mal case, you first must go through a medical review panel who decides if there was indeed a breach of the standard of care. Care to guess who sits on this panel? Yes, that's correct--other medical doctors.
Short of amputating the wrong limb or leaving a surgical tool in the patient's body, the panel is extremely unlikely to find that a fellow doctor breached the standard of care. Why? Because they know that more med mal cases mean more rises in their own med mal insurance rates. So, there is a selfish motive for the panel to conclude that there was no malpractice.
In Louisiana, med mal cases are very expensive for attorneys to take on. They are time-consuming, you must hire experts, and it takes years to resolve the case. For these reasons, most attorneys will not touch med mal cases.
Everyone is for tort reform until they themselves are the victims of malpractice and they see first-hand how unfair and outdated the med mal laws are in Louisiana. But, please don't let this stop you tort reformers from arguing how unfair the med mal laws are in Louisiana against these "poor" doctors.
In a med mal case, you first must go through a medical review panel who decides if there was indeed a breach of the standard of care. Care to guess who sits on this panel? Yes, that's correct--other medical doctors.
Short of amputating the wrong limb or leaving a surgical tool in the patient's body, the panel is extremely unlikely to find that a fellow doctor breached the standard of care. Why? Because they know that more med mal cases mean more rises in their own med mal insurance rates. So, there is a selfish motive for the panel to conclude that there was no malpractice.
In Louisiana, med mal cases are very expensive for attorneys to take on. They are time-consuming, you must hire experts, and it takes years to resolve the case. For these reasons, most attorneys will not touch med mal cases.
Everyone is for tort reform until they themselves are the victims of malpractice and they see first-hand how unfair and outdated the med mal laws are in Louisiana. But, please don't let this stop you tort reformers from arguing how unfair the med mal laws are in Louisiana against these "poor" doctors.
Posted on 2/2/14 at 2:12 pm to Powerman
quote:
If the gap is still there it isn't closed. It's merely narrowed.
If I owe you a dollar and I give you a penny, I've closed the gap. Simple semantics for everyone except you who equates Tort Reform with Eliminating all HC costs differences with 'the rest of the world.'.
Posted on 2/2/14 at 2:26 pm to northLAgoomba
As one of those poor doctors, I thank you for the caps as they allow me to practice in Louisiana. There are states without neurosurgeons as there is no cap to protect the system from BS cases. If your child falls off his bicycle and hits his head I hope you have a doctor close by.
How about we make it illegal for lawyers to take cases based on contingency fees like in other countries??? Let's shake it up and create a loser pays system??? Watch what would happen to the number of cases filed. If a person had a legit case there would be plenty of lawyers ready to take it. The BS would stop.
But these practical pipe dreams will never happen in our society of greedy lawyers that create the law for their own gain.
How about we make it illegal for lawyers to take cases based on contingency fees like in other countries??? Let's shake it up and create a loser pays system??? Watch what would happen to the number of cases filed. If a person had a legit case there would be plenty of lawyers ready to take it. The BS would stop.
But these practical pipe dreams will never happen in our society of greedy lawyers that create the law for their own gain.
Posted on 2/2/14 at 2:45 pm to Powerman
quote:
Gallup reports that one in four healthcare dollars spent in healthcare can be attributed to defensive medicine – about $650 billion annually. These costs are passed along to everyone, significantly driving up health insurance premiums, taxes to cover public health insurance programs, co-pays and out of pocket costs.
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