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Spinoff: Meatheads, Please Explain the QB's Have To Win SB's Thing
Posted on 1/13/14 at 6:40 pm
Posted on 1/13/14 at 6:40 pm
Please explain why it's so important.
Pitchers aren't judged on World Series.
Basketball players are somewhat rightly judged based on the fact that one great basketball player has more impact that any other player in team sports IMO.
Now, are willing to tell me that Trent Dilfer or Mark Rypien are one of best QB's in NFL history? One of the best 30 or so?
Roethlisberger is better than Peyton?
Doug Williams is equal to Peyton?
Marino is not one of the top 30 or so QB's?
Brad Johnson is equal to Steve Young?
As I previously stated, are you the same people that still think that Wins and ERA in baseball are the greatest measure of a good/great pitcher?
Pitchers aren't judged on World Series.
Basketball players are somewhat rightly judged based on the fact that one great basketball player has more impact that any other player in team sports IMO.
Now, are willing to tell me that Trent Dilfer or Mark Rypien are one of best QB's in NFL history? One of the best 30 or so?
Roethlisberger is better than Peyton?
Doug Williams is equal to Peyton?
Marino is not one of the top 30 or so QB's?
Brad Johnson is equal to Steve Young?
As I previously stated, are you the same people that still think that Wins and ERA in baseball are the greatest measure of a good/great pitcher?
This post was edited on 1/13/14 at 7:02 pm
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Posted on 1/13/14 at 6:44 pm to cubsfan5150
Because Brees won one and Ryan hasn't. It's what they cling on to in order to forget their franchise has been shite for most of the time they have been in the NFL.
If Brees didn't win one and still played at the same level they wouldn't put as much stock in it.
If Brees didn't win one and still played at the same level they wouldn't put as much stock in it.
Posted on 1/13/14 at 6:49 pm to cubsfan5150
Super Bowl or not Dan Marino was the best thrower of the football in NFL history. People just don't understand how hard it is to win in the NFL or pro sports in general.
Posted on 1/13/14 at 6:54 pm to cubsfan5150
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Spinoff: Meatheads, Please Explain the QB's Have To Win SB's ThingPlease explain why it's so important.
Football is a TEAM game... It ALL has to come together for a team to win it... Is Dilfer a great QB?? NO. He took advantadge of a great "D". Is Montana a GREAT QB??? Sure.. But had a shitload of talent around him and one of the greatest offensive minds coaching him.... Doug Williams had the game of his life, with a great team around him. THIS is why I say Elway was the best... He lost Sb's by basically taking teams with hardly any talent to 3 sb's ..yes they lost, but ...When he got what he needed he shined.... I don't think Montana takes those Denver teams to the Sb like Elway did... BUT Marino was a great QB... Like Fouts was... Stats are great, but................
Posted on 1/13/14 at 7:07 pm to cubsfan5150
5150 is about right
Posted on 1/13/14 at 7:19 pm to cubsfan5150
I love how 1 ring compared to no rings is proof. But those same people don't also think that 2 rings is proof over 1 ring.
Posted on 1/13/14 at 7:32 pm to cubsfan5150
Winning a Super Bowl doesnt mean you are a great QB. I agree with that. And just because you dont win a Super Bowl doesnt mean you arent a great QB.
But, each season teams are playing to get to the Super Bowl and win the Super Bowl. And QB is the top guy on the team, and the most demanding position in all of sports. When a team with a great QB like Manning falls short, the QB/coach gets the blame. Regardless how he played. Hes the top guy. If they fall short of their journey, people look at the coach and the QB.
Its just what comes with the nature of being a QB. Especially if youre a great QB like Manning. People dont understand how a great QB like Manning could lose against a QB like Flacco. But it happens.
And its also how Manning / other great QBs have lost some playoff games. A bad decisions / throws that he shouldnt have made that ends up costing them the game is magnified because its the playoffs. Thats all that people remember. They dont remember the 4 TDs and 350 yards that the QB threw for. Or how many points their D gave up. They remember the QB throwing an INT in the biggest moment of the game.
Its not right. At all. But its what playing QB is all about. Youre either the hero or a choke. Theres no silver lining.
Pitchers arent judged on World Series because at most they will take the mound twice in a best of 7 series.
But, each season teams are playing to get to the Super Bowl and win the Super Bowl. And QB is the top guy on the team, and the most demanding position in all of sports. When a team with a great QB like Manning falls short, the QB/coach gets the blame. Regardless how he played. Hes the top guy. If they fall short of their journey, people look at the coach and the QB.
Its just what comes with the nature of being a QB. Especially if youre a great QB like Manning. People dont understand how a great QB like Manning could lose against a QB like Flacco. But it happens.
And its also how Manning / other great QBs have lost some playoff games. A bad decisions / throws that he shouldnt have made that ends up costing them the game is magnified because its the playoffs. Thats all that people remember. They dont remember the 4 TDs and 350 yards that the QB threw for. Or how many points their D gave up. They remember the QB throwing an INT in the biggest moment of the game.
Its not right. At all. But its what playing QB is all about. Youre either the hero or a choke. Theres no silver lining.
Pitchers arent judged on World Series because at most they will take the mound twice in a best of 7 series.
Posted on 1/13/14 at 7:34 pm to cubsfan5150
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Pitchers aren't judged on World Series.
absurd comparison. GTFO with this. pitchers play once every 5 games. QBs play every game.
Posted on 1/13/14 at 7:42 pm to cubsfan5150
Super Bowls aren't the only factor in determining great QBs but the people who just want to ignore the amount of Super Bowls a guy has are being stupid. It's hard to put a measure on a guy's "it" factor but Super Bowls gives you a little bit of a measurement of it.
You can be a great QB with no Super Bowls and you can be a sucky QB with a couple of Super Bowls but you can't completely ignore the subject.
You can be a great QB with no Super Bowls and you can be a sucky QB with a couple of Super Bowls but you can't completely ignore the subject.
Posted on 1/13/14 at 8:01 pm to cubsfan5150
Your argument is as moronically simplistic as your perceive your opponents' to be.
No one is saying that SBs is the ONLY factor of greatness. It is one factor though.
No one is saying that SBs is the ONLY factor of greatness. It is one factor though.
Posted on 1/13/14 at 8:07 pm to cubsfan5150
quote:Because QB is the most important position in professional sports and has the single biggest impact on team performance. Great QBs should be able to lead their team to SB victory.
Please explain why it's so important.
quote:There are ~12 pitchers per MLB team. Only one starting QB per NFL team.
Pitchers aren't judged on World Series.
quote:You must be joking.
Basketball players are somewhat rightly judged based on the fact that one great basketball player has more impact that any other player in team sports IMO.
quote:SB victories are only one factor in consideration of all-time QB rankings. Does not winning a SB make Marino a less-than-great QB? Absolutely not. But it's a big negative factor in his candidacy for GOAT consideration. Same for all the other comparisons. SB wins is only one of many factors. But it's an important one in my and a lot of others' books.
Now, are willing to tell me that Trent Dilfer or Mark Rypien are one of best QB's in NFL history? One of the best 30 or so?
Roethlisberger is better than Peyton?
Doug Williams is equal to Peyton?
Marino is not one of the top 30 or so QB's?
Brad Johnson is equal to Steve Young?
quote:Wins? No. ERA? Yes. Off the top of my head, I can't think of a better measure of pitching performance than ERA.
As I previously stated, are you the same people that still think that Wins and ERA in baseball are the greatest measure of a good/great pitcher?
Posted on 1/13/14 at 8:09 pm to cubsfan5150
I think you need at least one. If you're an elite QB you need to be able to win the most difficult prize, to truly separate yourself from the rest. It's how our society works. It doesn't make sense to say this guy was the best or elite but to completely ignore the fact he never won one the big one.
I do see your point though. Look at Marino. That's all people say about him now. I respect Marino a lot. Not just for his records and how good he truly was, but at the end there were talks of him going to Minn or TB to try and win one. I think as much as winning one meant, winning one in a Gary Payton-esque way wasn't worth it. Just interesting.
I do see your point though. Look at Marino. That's all people say about him now. I respect Marino a lot. Not just for his records and how good he truly was, but at the end there were talks of him going to Minn or TB to try and win one. I think as much as winning one meant, winning one in a Gary Payton-esque way wasn't worth it. Just interesting.
Posted on 1/13/14 at 8:54 pm to cubsfan5150
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As I previously stated, are you the same people that still think that Wins and ERA in baseball are the greatest measure of a good/great pitcher?
You were doing great before this line.
Posted on 1/13/14 at 9:01 pm to cubsfan5150
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Please explain why it's so important.
Its one of many factors, but before you jump to the conclusion that "everyone" only looks at that, ask yourself why Aikman isn't frequently mentioned in the GOAT conversation "everyone" has. I rarely, if ever, hear his name... Yet he has 3 rings. If your premise were true, he'd be in the conversation...LIGHT years ahead of Manning. But he's not.
His lack of being in the GOAT conversation is consistent with your point, but inconsistent with what you claim others are doing.
So I know what you're saying, but your premise is flawed.
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