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re: The gloves are off regarding St. George...
Posted on 1/10/14 at 4:48 pm to Mack
Posted on 1/10/14 at 4:48 pm to Mack
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Fk st george and all the people pushing to incorporate it and further push BR into becoming the next detroit.
So the people of Detroit bear no responsibility for what that city has become? It's the people who left Detroit that are to blame? Your logic makes no sense to me
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Posted on 1/10/14 at 4:49 pm to lsutiger610c
quote:Don't residents outside the city use those services, too?
District Court, Clerk of Court, Family Court, Juvenile Court, District Attorney, Registrar of Voters, & Coroner.
quote:Where do you see that? Is that the sales taxes collected at the Mall of Louisiana?
In 2014 $52 million in revenue generated in the parish (outside city of Baton Rouge) was moved to city side of the budget to cover expenses.
Posted on 1/10/14 at 4:52 pm to LSURussian
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Don't residents outside the city use those services, too?
Yes, but metro BR contributes $0.00 to their funding.
Posted on 1/10/14 at 4:58 pm to dragginass
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Don't residents outside the city use those services, too?
Yes, but metro BR contributes $0.00 to their funding.
On top of that, incorporated BR contributes a VERY small percentage of the shared services between the city and parish, despite it appearing on the balance sheet as 60% of those costs.
The costs of the shared items (courts, elected officials, parish prison, etc.) total about $120m.
Between direct payments and the "transfer agreement", the parish ends up paying roughly $92m, or 75%, of those costs, though it shows up as them only paying 40% because of the way the transfer payments is listed on the balance sheet.
Posted on 1/10/14 at 5:12 pm to LSURussian
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SG residents don't pay property taxes for BRPD or BRFD. They have separate property taxes for those, including their own fire districts outside the city limits which only serve SG.
That's not correct. While we don't pay "property taxes" for BRPD and BRFD they are funded from the general fund, from which residents of St. George contribute. So yes, we are DOUBLE taxed for Police and Fire protection.
Posted on 1/10/14 at 5:16 pm to dragginass
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That's not correct. While we don't pay "property taxes" for BRPD and BRFD they are funded from the general fund, from which residents of St. George contribute. So yes, we are DOUBLE taxed for Police and Fire protection.
It's kind of semantics at this point...
Technically St. George doesn't pay for BRFD and BRPD. However, Baton Rouge sure as frick doesn't pay their full share of the 60% of shared services, as $45m of that $70m comes from transferred parish funds.
Posted on 1/10/14 at 5:19 pm to LSURussian
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In 2014 $52 million in revenue generated in the parish (outside city of Baton Rouge) was moved to city side of the budget to cover expenses.
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Where do you see that? Is that the sales taxes collected at the Mall of Louisiana?
On page 331 of the 2014 City of Baton Rouge / East Baton Rouge Parish budget LINK under the city side local services agreement $52,476,626 is shown as revenue for the city. Follow the Parish side to page 333 after all expenses the parish has $69,450,280 in total expenses and then below that $52,476,626 is shown as an expense under the local services agreement line item. The District Court, Clerk of Court, Family Court, Juvenile Court, District Attorney, Registrar of Voters, & Coroner agencies are funded entirely from revenues generated in the parish (outside the city of Baton Rouge) as shown on page 331.
This post was edited on 1/10/14 at 5:21 pm
Posted on 1/10/14 at 5:24 pm to dragginass
quote:City residents pay an additional 13.22 mills property tax which parish residents don't pay. The line item on one of those "City" millages says "Fire Department" or something about fire protection. So I'm not sure your statement is 100% correct.
they are funded from the general fund, from which residents of St. George contribute. So yes, we are DOUBLE taxed for Police and Fire protection.
Posted on 1/10/14 at 6:09 pm to lsutiger610c
quote:Thanks, I see that. I'm not exactly sure what it means. I'm going to do some more research on it. I appreciate your pointing that out.
On page 331 of the 2014 City of Baton Rouge / East Baton Rouge Parish budget LINK under the city side local services agreement $52,476,626 is shown as revenue for the city. Follow the Parish side to page 333 after all expenses the parish has $69,450,280 in total expenses and then below that $52,476,626 is shown as an expense under the local services agreement line item.
Posted on 1/10/14 at 7:42 pm to LSURussian
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City residents pay an additional 13.22 mills property tax which parish residents don't pay. The line item on one of those "City" millages says "Fire Department" or something about fire protection
Below is the breakdown of the 13.12
City of Baton Rouge (General Fund) 7.120
City of B. R. Fire Pay Enhancement Fund 6.000
Here is the link to the 2014 EBR City-Parish Budget - you can find the breakdown of property taxes on page 45.
LINK
The Baton Rouge Fire Department's Budget is funded from the General Fund for Operations and the majority of their pay. The property tax is for pay enhancement only.
Posted on 1/10/14 at 8:34 pm to Rickety Cricket
I wouldn't worry about it too much If I were you.
You prob wouldnt fit in.
You prob wouldnt fit in.
This post was edited on 1/10/14 at 8:36 pm
Posted on 1/11/14 at 9:41 am to Rickety Cricket
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Are SGers like the new Teabaggers?
Posted on 1/11/14 at 10:19 am to Ignignot
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i live in denham, but im rooting for ST George like a mother fricker
same here but I'm in Houston. I hope St. George sticks it to 'em.
This post was edited on 1/11/14 at 10:22 am
Posted on 1/11/14 at 10:51 am to mooseknuckle
I think if this happens there will be a domino effect that results in this ending poorly for BR and the outlying areas. I feel like people are really thinking about this short term and missing the bigger picture.
I could be wrong. But it all just seems very selfish. If taxpayer money was always reappropriated to the areas that paid the most, every downtown would be a shithole.
I guess cities would turn into downtowns where only the wealthy live, and then all the poors live on the outskirts. But history and common seems to suggest if you have more money you buy more property/bigger houses/etc. So it seems like an extremely inefficient concept and one that is basically a paradox.
This thing only make sense to me if it's done on a small scale. But if an entire new city is created, I think the BR area turns into a massive clusterfrick of a failure. Idk, someone explain to me why It wont.
I could be wrong. But it all just seems very selfish. If taxpayer money was always reappropriated to the areas that paid the most, every downtown would be a shithole.
I guess cities would turn into downtowns where only the wealthy live, and then all the poors live on the outskirts. But history and common seems to suggest if you have more money you buy more property/bigger houses/etc. So it seems like an extremely inefficient concept and one that is basically a paradox.
This thing only make sense to me if it's done on a small scale. But if an entire new city is created, I think the BR area turns into a massive clusterfrick of a failure. Idk, someone explain to me why It wont.
Posted on 1/11/14 at 11:08 am to LSURussian
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City residents pay an additional 13.22 mills property tax which parish residents don't pay. The line item on one of those "City" millages says "Fire Department" or something about fire protection. So I'm not sure your statement is 100% correct.
While all of that may be true, that doesn't nessesarily mean that money that St. George residents taxes aren't funneled to BRPD or BRFD. Just bc city residents have line items for BRPD and BRFD doesn't mean that is their only source of funds. Your logic is flawed.
This post was edited on 1/11/14 at 11:33 am
Posted on 1/11/14 at 11:24 am to DollaChoppa
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I think the BR area turns into a massive clusterfrick of a failure. Idk, someone explain to me why It wont.
It isn't already?
Posted on 1/11/14 at 11:25 am to MikeBRLA
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MikeBRLA
Exactly what benefits you aren't getting for living in the proposed St. George city? I've lived out here since 1990 - for as schools go that is going to be a different situation, if you believe the DOJ is going to go along with this and drop Judge Parkers decree on deseg - don't think you guys will win that. I sent my two children to SJA and CHS - so I paid out the nose for the schools - but I knew that going in.
Posted on 1/11/14 at 11:29 am to skinny domino
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Exactly what benefits you aren't getting for living in the proposed St. George city?
Please show me where I said I wasn't getting any benefits. I never made any such claim that I recall.
Thanks
This post was edited on 1/11/14 at 11:32 am
Posted on 1/11/14 at 11:36 am to lsutiger610c
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The District Court, Clerk of Court, Family Court, Juvenile Court, District Attorney, Registrar of Voters, & Coroner agencies are funded entirely from revenues generated in the parish (outside the city of Baton Rouge) as shown on page 331.
The District Court, Clerk of Court, District Attorney, etc. are all for the 19th Judicial District Court for the Parish of East Baton Rouge. So what's wrong with money coming from sources within the Parish, but outside the City, to fund these agencies.
Does any money from outside the City of Baton Rouge, but within the Parish, go to fund the Baton Rouge City Court, City Proscutor's Office, etc.?
Posted on 1/11/14 at 11:57 am to Roscoe
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Does any money from outside the City of Baton Rouge, but within the Parish, go to fund the Baton Rouge City Court, City Proscutor's Office, etc.?
If they are paid out of the general fund, then yes.
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