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re: What schools would ST. George affect?
Posted on 1/2/14 at 2:21 pm to Mayfair2Pville
Posted on 1/2/14 at 2:21 pm to Mayfair2Pville
quote:People who live in St George now don't see their kids go to inner city public schools.
you will see why middle class families don't want their children at inner city public schools...
Posted on 1/2/14 at 2:23 pm to Mahootney
quote:No, I didn't. I said the stated reasons are inconsistent with facts.
He even said it didn't matter what reasons are used.
I'm sorry I hurt your feelings.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 2:24 pm to LSURussian
Just keep using emoticons and contriving racism out of everything.
I'm so glad you are the definitive expert on all matters race. What else does your crystal ball say about sg residents?
I'm so glad you are the definitive expert on all matters race. What else does your crystal ball say about sg residents?
Posted on 1/2/14 at 2:28 pm to BugAC
quote:You still have not provided a link to back up your earlier statements about the city council saying SG can't have new schools, a statement which defies all logic in content and interpretation.
OK, Russian, you are turning into a hack with this. So the reason people want to form schools is not about a good education
quote:Yeah, right, I'm a liberal all right. That's a good one!
Way to employ liberal tactics.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 2:28 pm to LSURussian
quote:You sir, are a liar.
No matter who claims what about the reasons for splitting off, it all comes back to some white parents don't want their little darlings sitting in a classroom that has more than two or three black kids in the classroom.
And a race-baiter.
I'm so sorry that I've hurt your feelings. Maybe we can hold hands and apologize to each other.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 2:29 pm to LSURussian
I wasn't necessarily talking about SG here... just speaking in general but the middle class families in BR black or white don't want their children around the "have nots"... it is my opinion that the well off in BR will always send their children to private schools because it is like a status symbol and some middle class will do the same to keep up with the "jones" but at the end of the day it's about the environment why EBR school system has lost so many students to private school...
Posted on 1/2/14 at 2:29 pm to LSURussian
quote:
Just yesterday SG supporters were saying the reason they want their own district is so their kids would not be bussed all over EBR and to keep kids from the inner city being bussed into SG schools.
Now you're saying it would be the almost the same students? So there is NO bussing?
I'm typing this as slowly as I can, so I hope you can follow it. It's not the same kids as across town. My plea was for involved parents. Involved parents are ones who show up for stuff. If the low income kids live 5 minutes away in St Jean apartments, their parents are much more likely to surmount the activation energy required for a parent teacher conference than one who lives 45 minutes away in the inner city. Make sense?
Sort of sound like "local schools for local children?"
This post was edited on 1/2/14 at 2:35 pm
Posted on 1/2/14 at 2:33 pm to LSURussian
quote:Where are all of your links?
You still have not provided a link to back up your earlier statements about the city council saying SG can't have new schools, a statement which defies all logic in content and interpretation.
Liberal tactics totally equals being a liberal. You really are trolling.
Everyone reading this thread for viable sg information, please disregard everything that you've just read as it has been stricken from the record.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 2:39 pm to Mahootney
quote:I'm still waiting to read even one comment by you of any substance. Your entire approach is immature bordering on being juvenile filled only with your idea of "gotcha" snide remarks. Your comments are absolutely devoid of any facts regarding the proposed city and new school system.
Just keep using emoticons and contriving racism out of everything.
quote:They won't get a new city.
What else does your crystal ball say about sg residents?
Posted on 1/2/14 at 2:43 pm to LSURussian
quote:
You still have not provided a link to back up your earlier statements about the city council saying SG can't have new schools
That's because before i started looking for the link, you spouted off this race bullshite. There's not a quicker way to get me to ignore silly shite you post, than by calling someone racist.
quote:
Yeah, right, I'm a liberal all right. That's a good one!
I didn't say you were a liberal. I'm saying you are using liberal tactics. Racism is the biggest cop out used by the left.
I'm on the Poli-board often, you know this. And we agree on about 95% of things. But as soon as you start saying that the incorporation is racism, is when i stop listening to what you say.
Also, you're acting like quite the pompous arse when people challenge you on your racist claim. It's almost as if Rex got a hold of your password.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 2:43 pm to Mahootney
quote:I've provided links earlier in this thread regarding the proposed budget.
Where are all of your links?
quote:Didn't you write last night that you don't have a dog in this fight and you don't really care one way or the other? So why are you here?
Liberal tactics totally equals being a liberal. You really are trolling.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 2:45 pm to LSURussian
I'm not going to pretend I know everything -- let alone, much at all. Russian and Dewy both seem to have good foundations here. Good stuff, reading this, even if there is a little bit of pissing contest going on.
Let me elaborate on the educational aspect. Someone mentioned earlier that government does not create bad students. I agree, but they can create dangerous and poor-performing schools. The zoning in EBR is completely fricked and the bussing system should not be the cause of such.
The three-headed beast of Flaming Dr. Taylor, Dr. Ramos, and Dr. Hagan were formerly in the Detroit area (run off by the way) and now EBRPSS's superintendents. Ramos has been in big metro areas in the northeast for many years (of the three, he seems the most legit, but still full of shite). These men have the mentality that Baton Rouge can operate like those large inner-city schools can. The problem is Baton Rouge is SMALL on a scale with Detroit suburbs and NYC schools. It's not even worth a comparison. They do not understand the mentality of the poor inner-city Baton Rouge kid. This is not Manhattan.
A model of a poorer inner-city BR kid who attends Tara, for instance, lives in St. Jean Apartments; has no public transportation; has plenty of gov't assistance to spend at grocery, etc. He may go to the mall here and there and get rides to places he wants to go. His M-F commute to Tara High and back, on a yellow bus, is all he knows. Tara is NOT his school. The neighborhood far from represents him and most children from that neighborhood do not feel Tara represents them. Detroit and NYC and even Atlanta have public transpo systems that Baton Rouge will NEVER have, even if their schools are miles/even hour away. These kids can ride the trains and get off where they choose. EBR kids ride to point A and back. Hence, there is no culture nor learning of other environments. There really aren't any to learn of anyway, but when you bus a poorer student back and forth from a place he'll never learn to have any pride in back to his subsidized dwelling (which he takes too much pride in), he learns nothing of cultural value or intellectual or artistic means. There is no subway to ride and get off at various stops and see other cultures in action and how they live. There is no self-gained intelligence from learning to ride a public transportation system (CATS does not count). The school bus certainly teaches nothing. The student goes to a school in a mostly white neighborhood (Tara is a great example of this while of course Belaire is not); eats his best meals; sees friends and enemies; rides a bus home and hangs out with other similar peers and do-nothings/simpletons/idiots/criminals.
One cannot be a good student without school pride. One cannot likely have school pride when he doesn't even know the area and the community that he attends school in. Tara has students from Gardere mingling with kids from the North avenue areas mingling with St. Jean kids mingling with Mayfair kids. That spells trouble. My friend works at Tara and says there is an average of 1-2 fights per DAY. Ignorant students who receive no other cultures but their own won't get along. Just like all the Asians that attend public school are deemed "Chinese", the neighborhood and turf issues are the labels that matter. Sometimes they mix well and sometimes they do not.
This whole St. George thing is fine by me if it makes the schools better. We need educated people working lower-paying jobs. At this rate, we will have to build a freaking wall around, not only St George, but Airline at Old Hammond and east from the rest. MEANWHILE, WE HAVE A TOP-NOTCH UNIVERSITY SITTING IN THE MIDDLE OF SOME OF THIS MESS.
I do not know much about the rest of the St. George vs. BR issues, but I do know that the EBRPSS leadership and John White do not see eye to eye and neither has much vision to begin with. Someone needs to treat EBRPSS like a small city and not like it's Brooklyn. Brooklyn schools may have 4 times more criminals due to population, but they're cultured well beyond those who reside in the EBRPSS and many may figure out a way of that lifestyle because of all a big city has to offer (Detroit excluded from this). What does a kid with little intelligence and no home life have in Baton Rouge?
Let me elaborate on the educational aspect. Someone mentioned earlier that government does not create bad students. I agree, but they can create dangerous and poor-performing schools. The zoning in EBR is completely fricked and the bussing system should not be the cause of such.
The three-headed beast of Flaming Dr. Taylor, Dr. Ramos, and Dr. Hagan were formerly in the Detroit area (run off by the way) and now EBRPSS's superintendents. Ramos has been in big metro areas in the northeast for many years (of the three, he seems the most legit, but still full of shite). These men have the mentality that Baton Rouge can operate like those large inner-city schools can. The problem is Baton Rouge is SMALL on a scale with Detroit suburbs and NYC schools. It's not even worth a comparison. They do not understand the mentality of the poor inner-city Baton Rouge kid. This is not Manhattan.
A model of a poorer inner-city BR kid who attends Tara, for instance, lives in St. Jean Apartments; has no public transportation; has plenty of gov't assistance to spend at grocery, etc. He may go to the mall here and there and get rides to places he wants to go. His M-F commute to Tara High and back, on a yellow bus, is all he knows. Tara is NOT his school. The neighborhood far from represents him and most children from that neighborhood do not feel Tara represents them. Detroit and NYC and even Atlanta have public transpo systems that Baton Rouge will NEVER have, even if their schools are miles/even hour away. These kids can ride the trains and get off where they choose. EBR kids ride to point A and back. Hence, there is no culture nor learning of other environments. There really aren't any to learn of anyway, but when you bus a poorer student back and forth from a place he'll never learn to have any pride in back to his subsidized dwelling (which he takes too much pride in), he learns nothing of cultural value or intellectual or artistic means. There is no subway to ride and get off at various stops and see other cultures in action and how they live. There is no self-gained intelligence from learning to ride a public transportation system (CATS does not count). The school bus certainly teaches nothing. The student goes to a school in a mostly white neighborhood (Tara is a great example of this while of course Belaire is not); eats his best meals; sees friends and enemies; rides a bus home and hangs out with other similar peers and do-nothings/simpletons/idiots/criminals.
One cannot be a good student without school pride. One cannot likely have school pride when he doesn't even know the area and the community that he attends school in. Tara has students from Gardere mingling with kids from the North avenue areas mingling with St. Jean kids mingling with Mayfair kids. That spells trouble. My friend works at Tara and says there is an average of 1-2 fights per DAY. Ignorant students who receive no other cultures but their own won't get along. Just like all the Asians that attend public school are deemed "Chinese", the neighborhood and turf issues are the labels that matter. Sometimes they mix well and sometimes they do not.
This whole St. George thing is fine by me if it makes the schools better. We need educated people working lower-paying jobs. At this rate, we will have to build a freaking wall around, not only St George, but Airline at Old Hammond and east from the rest. MEANWHILE, WE HAVE A TOP-NOTCH UNIVERSITY SITTING IN THE MIDDLE OF SOME OF THIS MESS.
I do not know much about the rest of the St. George vs. BR issues, but I do know that the EBRPSS leadership and John White do not see eye to eye and neither has much vision to begin with. Someone needs to treat EBRPSS like a small city and not like it's Brooklyn. Brooklyn schools may have 4 times more criminals due to population, but they're cultured well beyond those who reside in the EBRPSS and many may figure out a way of that lifestyle because of all a big city has to offer (Detroit excluded from this). What does a kid with little intelligence and no home life have in Baton Rouge?
Posted on 1/2/14 at 2:49 pm to BugAC
quote:Don't use that as an excuse to not back up your earlier comments. A link would be appreciated. Otherwise, I can only assume your comments were incorrect.
But as soon as you start saying that the incorporation is racism, is when i stop listening to what you say.
This post was edited on 1/2/14 at 2:52 pm
Posted on 1/2/14 at 2:50 pm to BugAC
quote:
It's almost as if Rex got a hold of your password.
Simmer down. That was a little uncalled for.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 2:52 pm to PiscesTiger
:bow: :bow:
YOU GET IT!!!
YOU GET IT!!!
Posted on 1/2/14 at 2:56 pm to BugAC
quote:Read the comments that have been directed at me before and after I made my race comments. It's not like I was being showered with love.....
, you're acting like quite the pompous arse when people challenge you on your racist claim
This entire discussion is probably moot because I just don't see St George happening anyway. I don't think the legislature and the rest of the state want to see the state's capital balkanized into little fiefdoms.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 2:57 pm to LSURussian
quote:
Don't use that as an excuse to not back up your earlier comments.
It's not an excuse, i'll get around to posting it, and if i can't find it, then i'll let you know. Bookmark this post if you want.
That does not take away from the stupidity of calling something racist because you don't see the reason people are for incorporation. That's asinine and you know it.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 2:57 pm to PiscesTiger
quote:Very well thought out comments. Thanks.
PiscesTiger
Posted on 1/2/14 at 2:58 pm to LSURussian
No, thank you Russian. I have learned a lot from reading your comments.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 2:59 pm to LSURussian
quote:
Read the comments that have been directed at me before and after I made my race comments. It's not like I was being showered with love.....
Actually, i did. And i liked the information you were giving out earlier on and agreed with some of it, until you started claiming racism was the motivating factor behind incorporation.
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