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Posted on 1/2/14 at 1:01 pm to LSURussian
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LSURussian
IYO, realistically, how is the current BR public school system fixed for St. George residents if more schools aren't built and incorporation doesn't happen?
Posted on 1/2/14 at 1:08 pm to WhoDats10
If I lived in SG I would want to pull away from EBR and the school system is the main reason all this has come to fruition...
Posted on 1/2/14 at 1:16 pm to Mayfair2Pville
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and the school system is the main reason all this has come to fruition...
Yup, and the name calling, threats, and push back from the BR City Council has only entrenched the St. Georgians. Like i've said before, there are still a lot of questions i want answered, and information i want. But the more these clowns on the city council attempt to demonize the incorporation efforts, the more it makes me think that incorporation is the right thing to do.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 1:22 pm to BugAC
quote:I don't think the school board is anxious to build new schools in the St George area as long as a breakaway is possible. They'd be stupid to do that.
if more schools aren't built
If the St G effort fails, which I think it will, then the parents just need to be at every school board meeting asking for more schools. And meeting with their school board representatives. Good ole grass roots democracy in action.
I don't know if more schools are needed there. Once Lee High fully reopens which I think will be done next school year, a lot of the Gardere students will move from Woodlawn to Lee High. And some who now go to Tara will move to Lee High.
So are classroom headcount sizes in the St G area out of line with the rest of the city? I really don't know.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 1:24 pm to LSURussian
From what I know there will not be many Gardere students at Lee High School...
Posted on 1/2/14 at 1:33 pm to LSURussian
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I don't think the school board is anxious to build new schools in the St George area as long as a breakaway is possible. They'd be stupid to do that.
Yes, but you understand that the reason incorporation was even thought of, was because the city council said that unincorporated BR votes do not count towards a new school district because they are not a part of the incorporated city.
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then the parents just need to be at every school board meeting asking for more schools. And meeting with their school board representatives. Good ole grass roots democracy in action.
That's exactly what was happening until the city council basically said that your opinions don't matter because you are not in BR.
I think you bring up good points and questions that i would like to be answered. But i don't know what you expect the people of st. george to do, if they do exactly what you stated, and they are completely dismissed because they are seen as lesser citizens due to being in unincorporated areas.
Antagonizing citizens is what led to the incorporation talks.
(by the way, it is not a break away, in order for st. George to break away, they must have been a part of the city in the first place. This was made abundantly clear by the City Council.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 1:43 pm to LSURussian
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If the St G effort fails, which I think it will, then the parents just need to be at every school board meeting asking for more schools. And meeting with their school board representatives. Good ole grass roots democracy in action.
Um, yeah. Bernard "the boyfriend" Taylor doesn't exactly work that way. He's more about saying he hears their concerns and is disappointed by all their racist racism. He can also recommend an organization chaired by his close companion to do a study on how to alleviate these tough issues. Any questions should be voiced at the community town hall meeting he held yesterday at noon. Everyone was encouraged to attend.
To your other question, the private school attendance should give you an idea of how many schools should be serving this area. Parents were camping out and skipping line to get their kids into shenandoah elementary last year. Where do those kids (and Parkview Oaks, and Wedgewood and Woodlawn elementary) go after elementary school? The middle schools aren't too hot. By high school, they're mostly in private schools. People would absolutely take advantage of great public schools if they were offered here. EBRPSS will neither provide the buildings nor the educational value for this to happen. They don't value the teachers the way Zachary does. That's why excellent teachers that live in shenandoah will drive to work for Zachary every day for no more pay than they'd get here, once you factor in gas.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 1:48 pm to BugAC
quote:I have no idea what that means. Could you please provide a link so I can read the context of the comments? Thanks.
the city council said that unincorporated BR votes do not count towards a new school district because they are not a part of the incorporated city.
quote:I don't understand why you keep saying the city council has somthing to do with building new schools. They don't. The EBR school board is a separate elected body with its own funding.
That's exactly what was happening until the city council basically said that your opinions don't matter because you are not in BR.
quote:Again, link, please. I've never read any comments like that coming from the city council or the school board. Both of those bodies have members on them elected by voters from the St George district(s).
they are completely dismissed because they are seen as lesser citizens due to being in unincorporated areas.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 1:56 pm to Huck Finn
quote:Frankly, I'm disappointed by their racism, too. No matter who claims what about the reasons for splitting off, it all comes back to some white parents don't want their little darlings sitting in a classroom that has more than two or three black kids in the classroom.
and is disappointed by all their racist racism.
quote:No, it doesn't. We can't build schools for kids who don't attend public schools and just sit and hope that some return to the public school system. That is just silly.
To your other question, the private school attendance should give you an idea of how many schools should be serving this area.
quote:IMO, it's a chicken or the egg situation. If the classrooms are filling up, new schools are needed. If they're not, no new schools are needed.
People would absolutely take advantage of great public schools if they were offered here. EBRPSS will neither provide the buildings nor the educational value for this to happen.
In case you forgot, the St George are has had 3 new schools built in it over the past 4 years. Once Lee High is finished, then some of the HS students who attend Tara and Woodlawn will go to Lee High.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 1:59 pm to Huck Finn
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Parents were camping out and skipping line to get their kids into shenandoah elementary last year.
That was the old way of doing things which was asinine.... They have a new system in place now... Good public schools are in high demand, the main reason parents send their children to private schools is because of the environment and any parent that says that isn't their main reason is full of it... their isn't any magical wizardry these private schools teach their students for them to achieve more academically... they already have the biggest advantages in the world, parents that care and put action behind it...
Posted on 1/2/14 at 2:02 pm to LSURussian
quote:Lulz. You got a link for this? Any proof?
Frankly, I'm disappointed by their racism, too. No matter who claims what about the reasons for splitting off, it all comes back to some white parents don't want their little darlings sitting in a classroom that has more than two or three black kids in the classroom.
Didn't think so.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 2:06 pm to Mahootney
quote:Riiiight.
Lulz.
Because we all know those people publicly proclaim the real reason they send their kids to lily white schools. But it's not about race....
Posted on 1/2/14 at 2:07 pm to LSURussian
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I'm disappointed by their racism, too. No matter who claims what about the reasons for splitting off, it all comes back to some white parents don't want their little darlings sitting in a classroom that has more than two or three black kids in the classroom.
Then you, sir are completely uninformed. First off, the race numbers wouldn't look too drastically different from now. What ANY decent parent wants is for the other kid's parents to give two craps about education. White kids aren't any smarter than black kids, but no concerned black parent should want their kid in a class full of white kids with negligent or absentee parents. Thanks for playing.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 2:10 pm to LSURussian
quote:So no proof. Just more race card.
Because we all know those people publicly proclaim the real reason they send their kids to lily white schools. But it's not about race....
I'm glad that we now have your definitive confirmation that everyone signing the sg petition is a racist.
The clairvoyant, omniscient Russian has spoken. You unincorporated folks should be ashamed of yourselves.
When in doubt, claim racism.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 2:11 pm to Huck Finn
quote:But wait! Just yesterday SG supporters were saying the reason they want their own district is so their kids would not be bussed all over EBR and to keep kids from the inner city being bussed into SG schools.
First off, the race numbers wouldn't look too drastically different from now.
Now you're saying it would be the almost the same students? So there is NO bussing?
If you remember, that was what I said early in this thread.
SG supporters can't have it both ways.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 2:12 pm to Mahootney
I think its more of a class thing with a lil racism... I don't blame the white flight from public schools though... I myself wouldn't want my kids around the foolishness these schools have to deal with... If you really think its not that bad go to the transfer point another poster was talking about earlier if the police even let you back there to witness that foolishness and you will see why middle class families don't want their children at inner city public schools...
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Posted on 1/2/14 at 2:16 pm to LSURussian
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Because we all know those people publicly proclaim the real reason they send their kids to lily white schools. But it's not about race....
OK, Russian, you are turning into a hack with this. So the reason people want to form schools is not about a good education, it's about race?
Way to employ liberal tactics.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 2:19 pm to Mayfair2Pville
quote:No. You can't use logic here. There can't be any real reasons other than evil whitey being racist an trying to hold everyone else down.
If you really think its not that bad go to the transfer point another poster was talking about earlier if the police even let you back there to witness that foolishness and you will see why middle class families don't want their children at inner city public schools.
Reverend Russian has spoken for everyone in SG. He even said it didn't matter what reasons are used. The bottom line is racism. /thread.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 2:19 pm to Mahootney
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So no proof. Just more race card.
I didn't think it was race before I started reading the comments of SG supporters on this board and on the Poli Talk Board. Their "reasons" are so contrived and illogical about why they want their own city, the only reasonable explanation can only be based on race.
The code words the supporters spout makes it obvious. "Bussing" when there is no bussing for deseg purposes. "Environment" when the only environment difference is more black kids in the classroom. "Quality education" meaning more white teachers, when the public high schools in EBR produce almost as many National Merit Scholars as all of the private schools in EBR combined.
You can keep denying it if it makes you feel better about yourself.
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