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So, I'll ask again...what do you want? How do you make it more equitable?


If a woman wants an abortion, she must also obtain the consent of the father.






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I do think a man should be able to sign away his rights if he doesn't want the child and I think any child support claim should have to be made within a certain time frame after birth. I don't think a woman should be able to sue for child support years after the child is born. If you want support then you should give the father an opportunity to be in his child's life.

I agree with all of this as well...Problem is so often the kids are used as pawns because the parents suck and can't be adults. Read some of what was already put in this thread. Rather finding an equitable (to maintain the theme of the thread) solution to the issue, it stays a man vs. woman issue and who holds the power. Until that particular part of the rhetoric is curtailed, many things will not change.







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If a woman wants an abortion, she must also obtain the consent of the father

This only changes the power from one party to the other. It is still not equitable.






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And men can always ask for a paternity test if he for some reason questions the paternity.


Yes, men have the option of requesting paternity tests. The reason I suggested mandatory is to spare the feelings and reputation of the mother, who may or may not be a whore.

I asked my lovely wife the question "What would you have done if i requested a paternity test after our child was born." Her answer wasn't very pleasant. Mandatory tests take away this fear and prevents a man from being cuckold by a person he thought would never betray him.






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This only changes the power from one party to the other. It is still not equitable.


So you feel that a woman has the right to unilaterally kill a man's child?


Also, if the woman wants an abortion and the man doesn't he should have to sign a binding agreement that he will take care of the child when born.






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the feelings and reputation of the mother, who may or may not be a whore.

Pretty sure if you're calling her a whore the last thing you're worried about is hurting her feelings. If a man questions the paternity of a child, he should request the test. If the only reason he doesn't request the test is to spare the feelings of the maybe/maybe not whore, then maybe he doesn't truly question the paternity.
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"What would you have done if i requested a paternity test after our child was born." Her answer wasn't very pleasant.

Of course it wasn't pleasant, you were questioning her fidelity.
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Mandatory tests take away this fear and prevents a man from being cuckold by a person he thought would never betray him.

I'm not a big fan of mandatory, we see where that's getting us these days.







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So you feel that a woman has the right to unilaterally kill a man's child?

No. I believe that a woman can decide to unilaterally terminate a pregnancy.
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Also, if the woman wants an abortion and the man doesn't he should have to sign a binding agreement that he will take care of the child when born.

I would have no problem with this. But you need to define "take care of". I'm assuming you mean all financial as well as domiciliary support. I would also add in something about terminating the mother's parental rights or you're going to find yourself back in some of the same situations.

Don' misunderstand what I'm saying. I think that these things should be discussed PRIOR to any sexual contact. That decisions should be made and agreed to by both parties PRIOR to anything happening. But, if parties refuse to do so, then currently a woman has the right to terminate the pregnancy or not, and the man can be held accountable for support.

So, knowing the way things are, how many of you actually discuss these things with ALL of your sexual partners? If you don't discuss it and you don't make it very clear how you want things, then you are tacitly agreeing to give up your power and control to another party.






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This thread should be renamed "The Million Pussy March."





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SidewalkDawg
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Pretty sure if you're calling her a whore the last thing you're worried about is hurting her feelings. If a man questions the paternity of a child, he should request the test. If the only reason he doesn't request the test is to spare the feelings of the maybe/maybe not whore, then maybe he doesn't truly question the paternity.


Which is why I said this perceived inequality is partially on nature. Men deserve this peace of mind that a child is 100% his without having to rely on the word of a woman. Making it mandatory removes the drama.

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I'm not a big fan of mandatory, we see where that's getting us these days.


There are already a lot of "mandatory" screening measures done during a pregnancy, paternity testing is one more minor / inexepensive test.






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No. I believe that a woman can decide to unilaterally terminate a pregnancy.


Correct, kill a man's child.

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I would have no problem with this. But you need to define "take care of". I'm assuming you mean all financial as well as domiciliary support. I would also add in something about terminating the mother's parental rights or you're going to find yourself back in some of the same situations.


Agree.

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If you don't discuss it and you don't make it very clear how you want things, then you are tacitly agreeing to give up your power and control to another party.


The way things currently stand in our legal system, correct.






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NoHo,

I want you to rationally defend the current rules, I don't think you can besides 'life isn't fair' nonsense.

men shouldn't have to pay child support only because he couldn't walk away from paternity.


Here is your rational defense.

It's her body.






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NoHoTiger
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Men deserve this peace of mind that a child is 100% his without having to rely on the word of a woman. Making it mandatory removes the drama.

If you want peace of mind, request the test.
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There are already a lot of "mandatory" screening measures done during a pregnancy, paternity testing is one more minor / inexepensive test.

I've never been pregnant, so what screenings are mandatory?






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asurob1

Hey Rob. I figured I'd actually answer the questions. That way it shouldn't devolve into all women are cum guzzling whores...which is what usually happens in these threads.






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The way things currently stand in our legal system, correct.

So, given the way things currently stand in our legal system, do YOU discuss things with EVERY sexual partner and make your wants and feelings known? If they are in conflict, do you forego sexual contact?






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So, given the way things currently stand in our legal system, do YOU discuss things with EVERY sexual partner and make your wants and feelings known? If they are in conflict, do you forego sexual contact?


I don't see what that has to do with the argument at hand. I feel engaging in a consensual sexual act is contract between two people who are aware of the possible outcomes. Therefore, decisions about the future ramifications of this act should be handled in the same way the contract was entered, consent by both parties.






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TN Bhoy
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I'm really not sure what the point of this thread is. They get their evil affirmed, so I want mine affirmed?





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ballscaster


You seem like quite the angry little turd. Who pissed in your coffee today?






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ballscaster
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Who pissed in your coffee today?
Bill de Blasio.

Still gotta be quite a chunk of 'tang to bitch about this monstrous inequity of reproductive rights, though.






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NoHoTiger
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Therefore, decisions about the future ramifications of this act should be handled in the same way the contract was entered, consent by both parties.

Except, as you've pointed out, our legal system doesn't work that way. So by entering into that contact without an agreement of how things will be handled before an unexpected pregnancy arises, you are giving up your power and control.



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TN Bhoy
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Bill de Blasio.


is a fricking scumbag.






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