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Over Funding Life Insurance vs. Roth IRA
Posted on 11/7/13 at 3:10 pm
Posted on 11/7/13 at 3:10 pm
Does anyone have an opinion on over funding a variable universal life policy vs. a Roth IRA? I believe they both grow interest free but I like the idea of being able to get to my money in case of emergency before retirement. I also believe after 7 years of the insurance policy there is no cap on how much you can invest. The insurance policy is also sheltered against creditors.
It all seems too good to be true. Can someone help me out with this?
It all seems too good to be true. Can someone help me out with this?
Posted on 11/7/13 at 4:10 pm to kyledavis
You need to do some more reading. Overfunding an insurance policy is last on my list of things to do.
Posted on 11/7/13 at 6:10 pm to kyledavis
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The insurance policy is also sheltered against creditors.
I strongly believe that a Roth IRA is also sheltered from creditors.
I had a whole life insurance policy for 2 years and then it finally clicked that I was only making my financial advisor money and it was a waste. I closed that account, got term insurance, and beefed up my traditional IRA and Roth IRA.
Posted on 11/7/13 at 6:36 pm to kyledavis
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Does anyone have an opinion on over funding a variable universal life policy vs. a Roth IRA? I believe they both grow interest free but I like the idea of being able to get to my money in case of emergency before retirement. I also believe after 7 years of the insurance policy there is no cap on how much you can invest. The insurance policy is also sheltered against creditors.
It all seems too good to be true. Can someone help me out with this?
If you want to go for life insurance, I would say avoid a variable universal life (high fees) and go for traditional whole life with a company like New York Life, Mass Mutual, MetLife, Northwestern Mutual, State Farm, etc. Whole life is fixed and typically have lower fees. It is not flexible though.
Using average returns, a ROTH IRA will out-gain a Variable UL. There are costs associated with the insurance death benefit, and the variable UL mutual fund shares are typically more expensive than your standard mutual funds that you would use in a Roth IRA. The guarantees that they claim for Variable Universal Life policies typically do not apply when you want to take your money out of the policy. Not only that, you are paying for that guarantee by taking less returns (hidden costs).
However, if you need life insurance and you aren't comfortable with the risk of the market, fixed whole life insurance would be a good deal. You just need to accept the fact that your returns may not keep up with mutual funds within a Roth IRA (not considering time horizon or market timing, etc.).
Bottom line is this... your situation is always unique and you can't use a one-size-fits-all answer from someone who is not licensed or registered through FINRA on a message board. Consult with someone you trust and get multiple opinions from different companies.
If you want to talk more specifics, you can leave your email and I can get in touch with you.
Posted on 11/7/13 at 7:50 pm to kyledavis
Also note that you can withdraw your contributions from your Roth at any time without penalty. It can be a makeshift emergency fund if need be.
Posted on 11/8/13 at 3:39 pm to kyledavis
One option is a retirement account and the other is a rip off.
You should establish a separate emergency fund in a more liquid account if that's ultimately what you're worried about.
You should establish a separate emergency fund in a more liquid account if that's ultimately what you're worried about.
Posted on 11/9/13 at 11:36 am to kyledavis
No, this can be a great idea. The pro is that you can grow money tax free. When you put the money in it is not taxed, it grows tax free, and if you do it for over 10 years you can take loans against the policy by withdrawing an income. Loans are not taxable. You can use this with participating whole life.variable universal, or indexed ul....
Con: don't put all your eggs in this life basket, use it as a retirement strategy,
Con: you have to make sure it is funded correctly
Make sure you know somebody who does and it does it well
Also.if you die you lose the cash value to the ins. Company, but your beneficiaries usually get a larger tax free death benefit.
I would do this, Roth IRAs,...if you qualify and an employer plan and real estate---
My thoughts!
I own an insurance company and do this currently and recommend it to the right clients- I would say you need to make a decent income (100k) more and not a ton of debt....
Once again this is not for everybody, but it is the only tax free plan out there...hope that helps
Con: don't put all your eggs in this life basket, use it as a retirement strategy,
Con: you have to make sure it is funded correctly
Make sure you know somebody who does and it does it well
Also.if you die you lose the cash value to the ins. Company, but your beneficiaries usually get a larger tax free death benefit.
I would do this, Roth IRAs,...if you qualify and an employer plan and real estate---
My thoughts!
I own an insurance company and do this currently and recommend it to the right clients- I would say you need to make a decent income (100k) more and not a ton of debt....
Once again this is not for everybody, but it is the only tax free plan out there...hope that helps
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