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Posted on 9/30/13 at 10:44 am
Posted by Tiger Voodoo
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Posted on 9/30/13 at 10:44 am
First of all, what a game. I'm more convinced than ever that we just saw the two most complete teams in the SEC and possibly two of the 4 or 5 best teams in the country.

Georgia is great, and they would have looked even better had Gurley not gone down early in the second when he was on pace for close to 200 yards. With their schedule going forward, I would be shocked if they aren't playing in ATL for the SECCG. The question is, can LSU be their opponent, and I really think they will be.


The obvious, is that the passing game looks great. Mettenberger is playing so well, and Jarvis and Odell are really clicking with him. Kadron making a couple of big plays can only help us going forward too.

As good as Odell is, I really think Jarvis is the soul of this offense and the key to what makes us great (aside from Mett's NFL arm). Odell is a great big play guy and makes defenses pay for mistakes, but Jarvis is the guy that makes the play even when the defense does everything right. He is the guy that turns a 5-7 yard pass into a 12-15 yard gain, and that is so valuable. After being involved on the first two drives, both for TDs, he disappeared in the 2nd quarter, and that's when we were held to 3 points. Once we got him back in the fold after halftime, we were rolling. Can't say enough about him going forward.



But what I really noticed on the rewatch, that I didn't see at all live, was that I really think both defenses actually played pretty well against two of the best offenses in the country. (DISCLAIMER: I was one of the biggest critics of the D last week after Auburn)

After the first quarter, when both offenses moved at will, both defenses really settled down IMO and made these great offenses earn everything they got.

Georgia especially pretty much shut down our run game, which made Mettenberger's performance even more impressive under the circumstances. He was also under a good amount of pressure as our OL really struggled with what looked like a very solid Georgia DL. It wasn't that we were just doing anything we wanted, but that the O was able to step up and make big conversions to keep drives alive (Landry on 3rd and 10 despite getting his helmet knocked off, Odell on 3rd and TWENTY TWO with our backs to the goal line). That Georgia defense is legit, and I don't think they're getting enough credit. But Mett leading us to 10-15 on 3rd downs can't be praised enough.


But LSU surprisingly made Georgia work too. I'm obviously not saying they played great, and I still believe as I did last week that there are issues, but I actually think there was some improvement. It was just hard to see because Georgia is really fricking good. We gave up 490 yards to UGA, but we also gave up 440 to Auburn. After last week, I honestly thought UGA could put up closer to 600.

On Georgia's first two touchdown drives, UGA never even faced a third down. But after the 1st quarter, we made them start to have to convert multiple third downs. Surprisingly, we did pretty well getting off the field too, holding them to 4-11 on 3rd down conversions. It's really hard to get a great team like UGA off the field on 3rd, even for great defenses, so the D deserves praise for doing a good job there. The game could have gotten out of hand if they hadn't. Remember, the UGA D couldn't get off the field on 3rd against us.

As for the "blown coverages", the first one for a TD was on a 3rd and 11 (after what would have been a 3 and out before Odell muffed the punt ). But that TD, as well as the last TD of the game which was another "blown coverage", was also just great design and execution by UGA. They caused confusion by flooding our zones and made the defenders try to figure out who to cover. We didn't, which was bad, but that's what good offenses do. They design plays to put pressure on the defense to make decisions and often there is no right answer.


Again, I'm not making excuses, but it isn't as simple as "our D is terrible and everyone will score 40 on us". Most teams can't do the same things UGA can.

As good as Ego and Freak have been, I do think we are clearly thin at DT. There just seems to be NOTHING behind them. And our ends just aren't good enough to pressure a great OL and QB like UGA's with just the front four, which is what we tried to do all game. We are going to have to get creative to generate pressure.

The problem is, it's hard to get creative when the LB corps is struggling the way ours is right now. Lamin has been a huge disappointment, and not to pile on, but Welter just isn't making plays. I'm not going to say he's horrible and bench him, because he may actually be the best guy we have as obviously the coaches haven't seen anything from the guys behind him to take him off the field. But at the very least, someone else deserves a chance based on what Welter has shown. His play just hasn't justified him being on the field virtually every play the way he has been.


As for the secondary, it's kind of hard to judge them because we had so little pass rush, and Murray just had all day to place the ball where they couldn't get to it. But there were obviously issues with both safeties and corners understanding their responsibilities in coverage, although only on a couple of plays. Unfortunately, they were big plays that went for scores. It's hard to tell who was responsible without knowing the calls, but people were clearly out of position. But that should be correctable.

It is clear though that the safeties are often late in run support also. We need them to get to the ball faster, especially since our LBs have been so unable to make plays. I'd really like to see Ricky Jefferson start getting more time based on reports from camp.


I know it sounds silly to say the D wasn't terrible after writing all of that, but honestly, I thought it would be even worse. Despite all of those issues, we still put UGA in a position where they had to convert some long down and distance plays to keep up with our O, and Murray just made the plays. I think we'll see some steps forward against lesser competition the next couple of weeks.


I really think this game could end up being similar to the UF loss last year. The offense was about as bad as it could have been in that game, but we started figuring ourselves out with workmanlike wins over South Carolina and A&M before really putting it all together against Bama and then MSU and OM.

The D will be able to count on the O to win these next games for us while they figure out the right personnel and scheme moving forward. The key is that the O not lose motivation the way our D clearly did last year after the Bama game.

With Mett, Hill, Jarvis, and Odell all very possibly NFL bound, I would hate to see that happen to them too, but I really don't think it will. These guys know they are a special group that can still have a very special season and leave there marks on the LSU record books, and Mett should play even better now that the difficult return to Athens is behind him and he proved himself so admirably.


Very much looking forward to the rest of the season, and would love to see UGA again in ATL.

Too long; shouldn't have written


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Posted by TJG210
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 9/30/13 at 10:49 am to
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First of all, what a game. I'm more convinced than ever that we just saw the two most complete teams in the SEC and possibly two of the 4 or 5 best teams in the country.

Were you drinking while watching the game? I'm not saying either aren't top 10 teams, but the defense on both sides was putrid.
Add to the fact, Georgia's defense has been pretty bad all year. Our's has been nothing special.......hardly complete teams.
This post was edited on 9/30/13 at 10:51 am
Posted by chilge1
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Posted on 9/30/13 at 10:52 am to
The problem for both teams is that they were college defenses defending NFL offenses.
Posted by YouAre8Up
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Posted on 9/30/13 at 10:55 am to
Posted by yaherrdme
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Posted on 9/30/13 at 10:56 am to
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They design plays to put pressure on the defense to make decisions and often there is no right answer.


There most definitely are "right answers", not easy for us to figure out, what UGA did was not revolutionary and our defensive staff has seen similar plays / sets / concepts numerous times in the past.
Posted by sportjunkie69
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 9/30/13 at 10:58 am to
We win the game if we just run the plays 'Bama ran against us on their last drive last year. Cameron has really improved the offensive execution, but frankly I didn't think they looked prepared on that last drive.

I remember McCarron saying after last year's game the Saban meets with the QBs the night before every game and goes over the plan for just such a situation, including which plays to run against the likely defense they'll see.

Don't think LSU had a package ready for the last drive. I thought against the Georgia D LSU could have easily gotten deep into Georgia territory by throwing to the backs or TE's over the middle. Clock stops on 1st down so having 1 time out shouldn't have been an issue with over 1:30 left.

The rest of the game plan seemed excellent, but not the last drive.
Posted by LaBR4
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Posted on 9/30/13 at 10:58 am to
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Mett should play even better now that the difficult return to Athens is behind him and he proved himself so admirably.


Just needs a little time to throw and he'll throw a dart in there.
This post was edited on 9/30/13 at 10:59 am
Posted by UGATiger26
Jacksonville, FL
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 9/30/13 at 10:58 am to
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Again, I'm not making excuses, but it isn't as simple as "our D is terrible and everyone will score 40 on us". Most teams can't do the same things UGA can.


This is all people need to remember.
Posted by tirebiter
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Posted on 9/30/13 at 11:05 am to
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Georgia is great


If UGA is great, what does that make Clemson? Anyone watching the first four games knew the D wasn't where it needed to be against a balanced, explosive offense. UGA lost a lot of D talent from last season, too. One can choose Bama, but this season it appears early on that any of the top 4-5 SEC teams can beat one another as none are highly competent in all aspects of the game. Have to give credit to UGA for their schedule to date and going 3-1, and LSU had opps to produce a different outcome in that game. LSU will likely become a product of its schedule even if the D improves significantly.
Posted by windhammontanatigers
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Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 9/30/13 at 11:08 am to
I read all and when you have something of substance to say then nothing too long to make your point. I can agree with what you said. I know that Clemson is really good this year and seem to be playing with a lot of confidence and I know UGA gave them all they could handle. Im confident that our defense is not as bad as they looked and you made some valid points. Georgia is a really good team and that game could have easily went our way in Tiger Stadium or maybe a neutral field. Im like you , Im really not that worried watching other teams around the league and maybe Im wrong but I feel pretty confident from here on out.
Posted by smash williams
San Diego
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Posted on 9/30/13 at 11:08 am to
The execution on both offenses was outstanding. Exploiting mismatches and the ball placement by the QBs...the defenses had no chance. Everyone knew it was gonna be a shootout.
Posted by Dudebro2
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Posted on 9/30/13 at 11:15 am to
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The D will be able to count on the O to win these next games for us while they figure out the right personnel and scheme moving forward.


And there is the issue that blows your entire argument apart. The first 4 games were meant to get the personnel and scheme issues figured out. If they haven't by now it is because we truly have big issues on defense. This coaches aren't stupid, they see the problems we are having on defense and have had from the first game. When teams like, TCU, UAB and Auburn are having running backs average over 4.5yds per carry, the coaches can see that. And unfortunately the talent on defense is just not what they are used to having or what the fans are used to seeing. Hopefully it is just an inexperience situation "which is what I am chalking it up to" but if it is not than we have bigger issues.

Look is UGA a great offense team? Yes they are. But if you want to be the best, you have to beat the best. If that game was played in Death Valley imo we win, but unfortunately it wasn't so we end up losing the game. If anyone thinks that A&M's offense is not as good as UGA's you have no clue what you are talking about. Also understand that playing Bama is going to be difficult anyone who thinks not, is on drugs.

Our defense needs to figure it out damn fast or a 9-3 season or worse is probably a hell of a lot more realistic than 10-2 or better.
This post was edited on 9/30/13 at 11:17 am
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 9/30/13 at 11:16 am to
both auburn and Georgia executed some huge pass plays. critics can say it was bad defense but, they just made unbelievable plays just like landry and beckham have done all season. the coverage on those plays was tight and quite good.

the front 7 is the more concerning problem. if we're getting pressure and limiting the yardage up the middle, that takes a lot of pressure off the dbacks.

not sure what's going on with the front 7. they look soft which is puzzling. grantham one upped chavis with a handful of well timed blitzes, especially at the end.

the defenses aren't as bad as everyone is making them out. those are 2 highly potent offenses that will make lots of defenses look silly.
Posted by Housplants
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Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 9/30/13 at 11:17 am to
I think the most disappointing players have been Barrow and Loston. Welter is not an SEC linebacker, but Barrow was expected to be a stalwart for us. In my opinion, he has played every bit as poorly as Welter.

Loston is projected as a high draft pick, but he has not ball awareness whatsoever. He is a great hitter, but his type aggression is being removed from the game with the targeting rules. He does not cover well, and he never plays the ball, and now he can't even punish receivers the way he used to without risk of being tossed.

I think our linebacker play is causing most of the difficulties for the defensive play calling, and I am very hopeful that some changes are in store at that position.

All that being said, I have always dreaded watching Chief call passive defenses during the last few minutes of games that we lead be 7 or less. He almost never rushes more than 4, and often only three. That seems like a huge mistake against a very good 4th year drop back passer.

Georgia did not make the same mistake when we got the ball back losing by 3. They came after Mettenberger, and it was the right approach to take.
Posted by dgnx6
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Posted on 9/30/13 at 12:11 pm to
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As good as Ego and Freak have been, I do think we are clearly thin at DT. There just seems to be NOTHING behind them. And our ends just aren't good enough to pressure a great OL and QB like UGA's with just the front four, which is what we tried to do all game. We are going to have to get creative to generate pressure.


What was crazy to me was our one turnover we rushed 3 guys, with freak basically dropping back so we only rushed 2, yet we got the int.

The guys needed to get their hands up more, murrary isnt a tall qb, he had another one he threw rt into the face of ego.
Posted by Geauxgurt
Member since Sep 2013
10473 posts
Posted on 9/30/13 at 12:28 pm to
quote:

But what I really noticed on the rewatch, that I didn't see at all live, was that I really think both defenses actually played pretty well against two of the best offenses in the country. (DISCLAIMER: I was one of the biggest critics of the D last week after Auburn)


You completely lost me here. LSU's defense wasn't simply being beat by a great offense. They were horrible, out of position and 3 of 5 TD passes were on complete blown coverages, not great offensive play. Players were tentative and played like they had no direction.

UGA's defense was clearly outmanned in the passing game, but our OL helped them by playing soft.

Both are great teams, but to claim they were good defenses shows a lack of understanding of the game.
Posted by Broham
Crowley
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Posted on 9/30/13 at 12:45 pm to
Great post
Posted by LSUZombie
A Cemetery Near You
Member since Apr 2008
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Posted on 9/30/13 at 12:48 pm to
quote:

I'm more convinced than ever that we just saw the two most complete teams in the SEC


Then that's sad considering it's hard to be a complete team when you can't field a defense that even threatens to stop the opposing team
Posted by Coreylsu21
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Posted on 9/30/13 at 12:50 pm to
Write a goddamn book...
Posted by Mohican
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 9/30/13 at 1:17 pm to
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Tiger Voodoo



Re-watching the game I came away with almost EXACTLY the same impressions you did. We have improved defensively from the previous 3 games. The D-line is playing the run better than they have. That was the main thing I was looking for... were they holding their water better than they have been and they were. Freak was playing within himself better and not getting blown off the LOS like he has been. Our ends played solid against the run.

Linebackers just are what they are. The most important unit in Chavis' scheme is the weakest on this particular defense. That's both scheme and talent. I don't know what his answer should be to address that but it's got to be addressed. Kwon should be on the field from this point forward.

And you're right. At some point in the second half our defense settled in. When Georgia executed, it wasn't so much us but them. We did stall them at times.

I am not as worried about the secondary because I think we have talent back there that will improve every single game.

My biggest concern is how creative Chavis will get to mask our weaknesses at LB. He is going to have to do some things there. We need a safety in the box on just about every 1st and 2nd down. Loston's doing us little good defending the deep ball so he might as well play to his strengths in the running and short passing game.
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