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Isabelle
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re: Ovarian cancer patient seeks use of experimental pharmaceutical drug, but denied


A "magic pill" or cure will not be found for all cancer. It is a very big money maker!





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Jcorye1
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re: Ovarian cancer patient seeks use of experimental pharmaceutical drug, but denied


This. You feel for the woman, and we all know someone dying or who has died from cancer. That being said, even if she did take the pill, it would be a .000001 percent to change she'd live anyways.





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Jcorye1
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re: Ovarian cancer patient seeks use of experimental pharmaceutical drug, but denied


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"magic pill" or cure will not be found for all cancer. It is a very big money maker!



Ignorant post is ignorant






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Hopeful Doc
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re: Ovarian cancer patient seeks use of experimental pharmaceutical drug, but denied


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"Healthy volunteers", does not apply to cancer drugs because most are cytotoxic


Thus the
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(some trials use people with the disease studied)

I was sort of trying to explain the process of trials past the theme of cancer, but I guess it's not necessarily relevant in this case.







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Hopeful Doc
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re: Ovarian cancer patient seeks use of experimental pharmaceutical drug, but denied


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A "magic pill" or cure will not be found for all cancer


Right, because all cancer is different. Not because
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It is a very big money maker!



Because that pill would be worth tons of money. Even more than the ones that don't work all that well.






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kywildcatfanone
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re: Ovarian cancer patient seeks use of experimental pharmaceutical drug, but denied


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The poor woman is dying and there's nothing to lose by letting her try. If it were our daughter or wife or mom we'd be pretty disgusted she's denied a chance, however slim. It's total BS and makes me hate people.


Yep. If someone is dying, and there is an experimental drug on the shelf that might give her a chance at survival, they should give it to her.






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Hopeful Doc
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experimental drug on the shelf


The problem is that it isn't on the shelf. It's been given to animals. And 30 different humans have tried it, basically to test the side effect profile. It's very conceivable that there is absolutely zero of it 'just lying around.' They're in an extreme pre-production phase of development of the drug.






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re: Ovarian cancer patient seeks use of experimental pharmaceutical drug, but denied


Glad you're posting again.





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Elephino
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re: Ovarian cancer patient seeks use of experimental pharmaceutical drug, but denied


The truth is, cancer sucks. The company is not at fault here, though. There are other PARP inhibitors in the pipeline; some with better data and specifically designated against ovarian cancer. Drugs, like anything other purchased good, are a consumer product. One question I always ask of my students when I'm teaching the Oncology module is - if I discover the cure for your particular cancer...does that entitle you to the use of my drug? Think about that and the current situation with the ACA (please don't move to PT ).





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Hopeful Doc
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Glad you're posting again.



I figured if I quit posting, I'd quit reading and spend more time studying. I wound up reading just about as much anyway. So here I am.

I never could keep my mouth shut...






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Hopeful Doc
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re: Ovarian cancer patient seeks use of experimental pharmaceutical drug, but denied


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One question I always ask of my students when I'm teaching the Oncology module is - if I discover the cure for your particular cancer...does that entitle you to the use of my drug?


Great question. The altruistic side of most of us that get into medicine would say 'yes,' but then, a much smaller subset of us, look to see where the cost to cover the drug comes from.

Did you ever happen to read/skim The $800 Million Pill? Production and research of medicine is unsustainable without someone paying for it. Hell, vaccines would (nearly) cease to be made if they weren't so heavily subsidized.


ETA: Or even better than where the cost coverage comes from, what makes person entitled to buy a certain product from a private seller?



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Elephino
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re: Ovarian cancer patient seeks use of experimental pharmaceutical drug, but denied


No need to read. I've done research at/with St. Jude, Eli Lilly, and I am a fixture on both prostate and breast cancer experimental therapeutics sections for the CDMRP (DoD).





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Hopeful Doc
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Nice resume. A pharmacology PhD and drug design/research was in the back of my mind when I was applying to med school.





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Elephino
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re: Ovarian cancer patient seeks use of experimental pharmaceutical drug, but denied


I'm technically a medicinal chemist, but half of that is pharmacology, especially in oncology and infectious diseases; achieve the kill/therapeutic level, maintain, discontinue, evaluate, repeat if necessary.





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