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Bittersweet Symphony: the best Rolling Stones' song since "Beast of Burden"
Posted on 8/20/13 at 4:48 pm
Posted on 8/20/13 at 4:48 pm
I want to state at the outset that I actually like the Rolling Stones. They haven't put out a decent song in over 30 years, but they put out lots of them back in the day. And if I judge Muhammad Ali* by how he fought between '64-'67 and not how he fought against Larry Holmes when he was well beyond washed up and had in fact already been diagnosed with Parkinsons, then I guess I gotta judge the Stones by their prime as well. Fair is fair.
So, again, I hate what happened to Richard Ashcroft because of the Stones, but I don't hate the Stones. Now shall we proceed.
1955: The Staple Singers record a song called "This May Be The Last time". LINK
1965: The Rolling Stones record a song called "The Last Time". It's a cover of the Staples Singers song and Keith Richards has acknowledged the same. No royalties from this song were ever paid to the Staples Singers. Apparently they didn't need to get permission to do this song or pay royalties off of it because it was a "traditional song". LINK
1966: Andrew Oldham, who was the original manager for the Rolling Stones, creates a musical side project called The Andrew Oldham Orchestra. The Andrew Oldham Orchestra releases an orchestrated version of The Last Time. This "orchestrated version" sounds absolutely nothing like the actual song "The Last Time", and I have no earthly idea why it was branded as a cover song. But don't take my word for it. Listen to it yourself: LINK
1997: The Verve negotiated a license to sample the Andrew Oldham Orchestra track in their song "Bittersweet Symphony". You read that correctly. The Verve had a license to sample what they sampled. You've heard the song, but here it is again: LINK
Bittersweet Symphony is released and becomes a huge hit. Allen Klein, who was the Stones' manager and the owner of their recordings via his company ABCKO, sues The Verve on the grounds that the song uses "too much" of the sample The Verve had A LICENSE TO USE. The Verve either (a) lacked the resources to challenge the claim in court, or (b) had the shittiest lawyer on the face of the planet. They settled with Klein.
Under the terms of the settlement, 100% of the royalties from the song -- which was a major international hit -- went to Klein. Additionally, songwriting credits were given to Keith Richards and Mick Jagger. Songwriting credits were not given to Andrew Oldham, which blows my mind.
Richard Ashcroft received $1,000 from the song Bittersweet Symphony.
The villain in this story is certainly Allen Klein. And when he died, I'm certain there was a spot in hell already reserved for him. But Jagger and Richards weren't exactly angels in all of this either. Ashcroft contacted them personally when all of this was going down, and they basically gave him a "frick you". I'm not sure they could have done much anyway, as Klein was clearly the guy spearheading the operation, but Jagger and Richards knew it wasn't their song that was getting sampled. They knew a young musician was getting fricked right in the arse and wasn't even given the common courtesy of a reach-around. They weren't sweating it.
Has there ever been a bigger screw job in the history of music?
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*His momma called him Clay
So, again, I hate what happened to Richard Ashcroft because of the Stones, but I don't hate the Stones. Now shall we proceed.
1955: The Staple Singers record a song called "This May Be The Last time". LINK
1965: The Rolling Stones record a song called "The Last Time". It's a cover of the Staples Singers song and Keith Richards has acknowledged the same. No royalties from this song were ever paid to the Staples Singers. Apparently they didn't need to get permission to do this song or pay royalties off of it because it was a "traditional song". LINK
quote:
"we came up with The Last Time, which was basically re-adapting a traditional Gospel song that had been sung by the Staple Singers, but luckily the song itself goes back into the mists of time."
-Keith Richards
1966: Andrew Oldham, who was the original manager for the Rolling Stones, creates a musical side project called The Andrew Oldham Orchestra. The Andrew Oldham Orchestra releases an orchestrated version of The Last Time. This "orchestrated version" sounds absolutely nothing like the actual song "The Last Time", and I have no earthly idea why it was branded as a cover song. But don't take my word for it. Listen to it yourself: LINK
1997: The Verve negotiated a license to sample the Andrew Oldham Orchestra track in their song "Bittersweet Symphony". You read that correctly. The Verve had a license to sample what they sampled. You've heard the song, but here it is again: LINK
Bittersweet Symphony is released and becomes a huge hit. Allen Klein, who was the Stones' manager and the owner of their recordings via his company ABCKO, sues The Verve on the grounds that the song uses "too much" of the sample The Verve had A LICENSE TO USE. The Verve either (a) lacked the resources to challenge the claim in court, or (b) had the shittiest lawyer on the face of the planet. They settled with Klein.
Under the terms of the settlement, 100% of the royalties from the song -- which was a major international hit -- went to Klein. Additionally, songwriting credits were given to Keith Richards and Mick Jagger. Songwriting credits were not given to Andrew Oldham, which blows my mind.
Richard Ashcroft received $1,000 from the song Bittersweet Symphony.
quote:
“It must have devastated him, They f–king raped him. And then Keith put more salt in the wound by going, ‘Serves you right for playing with the big boys.’”
-Andrew Oldham
The villain in this story is certainly Allen Klein. And when he died, I'm certain there was a spot in hell already reserved for him. But Jagger and Richards weren't exactly angels in all of this either. Ashcroft contacted them personally when all of this was going down, and they basically gave him a "frick you". I'm not sure they could have done much anyway, as Klein was clearly the guy spearheading the operation, but Jagger and Richards knew it wasn't their song that was getting sampled. They knew a young musician was getting fricked right in the arse and wasn't even given the common courtesy of a reach-around. They weren't sweating it.
Has there ever been a bigger screw job in the history of music?
____________________________
*His momma called him Clay
Posted on 8/20/13 at 4:59 pm to bobbyray21
quote:
Has there ever been a bigger screw job in the history of music?
CCR
Posted on 8/20/13 at 5:03 pm to bobbyray21
quote:
Has there ever been a bigger screw job in the history of music?
Led Zeppelin, and all those that were screwed with the entire first album.
Posted on 8/20/13 at 5:12 pm to bobbyray21
They have had some good songs musically in the last 30 years but their lyrics are laughably bad anymore. Keith can shite out some great riffs on his worst day but lyrics take the kind of inspiration that 70 year old men rarely can muster.
Posted on 8/20/13 at 6:04 pm to bobbyray21
I've heard Beast of Burden so many times I really don't enjoy it anymore
Posted on 8/20/13 at 6:45 pm to bobbyray21
quote:
Has there ever been a bigger screw job in the history of music?
Man, their have been so many artists fricked over by record companies, publishing companies... and they never received a red cent and didnt have a pot to piss in before or after their music careers...
The members of the Verve are probably doing OK..
All that said, I agree it was a pretty shitty thing to do By the stones group... I can understand maybe getting a piece, similar to Chuck berry and The Beach Boys for Surfin USA (Sweet Little Sixteen)
Posted on 8/21/13 at 6:13 am to bobbyray21
The Stones are so overrated in the annuls of music history it isn't even funny.
Posted on 8/21/13 at 8:01 am to bobbyray21
Well, Richard Ashcroft is also kind of an a-hole.
Still love the entire Verve catalogue though.
Still love the entire Verve catalogue though.
Posted on 8/21/13 at 8:10 am to bobbyray21
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They haven't put out a decent song in over 30 years
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Posted on 8/21/13 at 8:42 am to bobbyray21
Two other bands who had members royally fricked over by management:
The Band
Badfinger (extremely depressing)
The Band
Badfinger (extremely depressing)
Posted on 8/21/13 at 9:59 am to bobbyray21
damn never knew this. That song is one of the more popular tracks from the 90's that you still hear today.
Posted on 8/21/13 at 12:39 pm to bobbyray21
They got jew'd
quote:
Allen Klein was born in Newark, New Jersey, the son of Jewish immigrants from Budapest, Hungary.
Posted on 8/21/13 at 1:13 pm to bobbyray21
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They haven't put out a decent song in over 30 years,
Bullfrickingshit.
Posted on 8/22/13 at 10:28 am to bobbyray21
I wanted to add almost everybody in Ozzy Osbourne's band in the 80s. Ozzy is falsely listed as the songwriter for almost all of those songs but specifically the Bark at the Moon album which Jake E. Lee never got any credit for.
This post was edited on 8/22/13 at 10:31 am
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