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I don't live in Louisiana.

Are people who chose to live in Texas when they had sodomy laws homophobes?






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It doesn't sound that way.


the couple said they are welcome to patronize the gallery. FAIL.

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The couple implied that this isn't true.


gays are natural liars.






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If you do something because you are told to do so, it is your fear of the instructing authority that motivates you.

In this case, "homophobia" would be a false label by definition.


those are some serious mental gymnastics right there






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Are people who chose to live in Texas when they had sodomy laws homophobes?


maybe






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for the record i don't think they should be penalized in court for not renting out their facility, but i do think they should be held up for mockery because of their bigoted beliefs


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BBONDS25
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None of this changes the fact that you have the right to worship freely but not the right to break a state's business laws freely. The state does not say that you can't discriminate against gays in worship; it states that you can't discriminate against gays in business. It's just common sense and English, and a basic understanding of what the concept of liberty is


Ah. so common sense led you to make a legal assertion.

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Whether or not I've passed the bar does not change whether I'm right or wrong. If you'd like to dispute anything I've said, claiming that I haven't made partner yet doesn't really cut it.

It certainly doesn't help your argument.

When a state passes a law that infringes on religious expression or freedoms the burden is on the state. The state must meet a strict scrutiny standard which requires the law meet a compelling government interest, be narrowly tailored, and as least restrictive as possible. While I appreciate your "common sense" argument for your legal assertion...I think it would be better to see if there is some precedent that addresses the above standard and can give some real legal basis.

I don't think you need to pass the bar to discuss legality...but you do need to use the law when discussing legality.



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Roaad
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those are some serious mental gymnastics right there
It's the truth.

You can only be a homophobe if you are personally afraid of gays, or homosexuality. You can have actions that are homophobic without being a homophobe. . .

. . .are you arguing otherwise?






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for the record i don't think they should be penalized in court for not renting out their facility, but i do think they should be held up for mockery because of their bigoted beliefs
I agree with this, minus the mockery.

I think that if people just stopped frequenting places that did things they don't like, it would affect change in a way that is efficient, fair, and less fascist.

Or they would find out that people don't give a shite what offends them. . .and they could move to a place that is more in-line with their beliefs.



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maybe
but not certainly, correct?

Where you choose to live, and every law they have is not a direct reflection of your personal motivations?

:mindblown:






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Are people who chose to live in Texas when they had sodomy laws homophobes?

Already explained. Move on.






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the couple said they are welcome to patronize the gallery. FAIL.

Ah, I see what you're doing.
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gays are natural liars.

I found a crazy.






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for the record i don't think they should be penalized in court for not renting out their facility, but i do think they should be held up for mockery because of their bigoted beliefs
+1






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You can have actions that are homophobic without being a homophobe. . .
You nailed the dismount.

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what I don't understand about this is that it is a private business run by a private owner. They have the private right to deny service to someone and if someone is rejected service they can take their money to the MANY of other places that will accept their money. Simple as that. If they want to loose money for not servicing gays then so be it.





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You have it all wrong. A private company cannot discriminate. If I own a restaurant I cannot put up a sign that says white only, right? same concept.

I manage a private Nursing company. I can't say we don;t like nurses from this place or nurses who are over 35.






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But a company can deny service based on the type of clothing one is wearing. Like the typical "No shoes, no shirt, no service" signs. Is that not discriminating against that group of people?

I understand that you cannot deny service to people based of there skin or discriminating. The problem is that the "discriminating" word covers a lot of things. People need to be more descriptive in how they utilize such words.

And if anything the owners are saying they are unable to fulfill a service due to their religious beliefs. They are not denying them service. In fact they said that they would offer them any thing else from their p;lace of business. But now they gays are prosecuting the owners based on their religious belief that they should be married. If they can do that why can't the owners say they can't marry them because they don't believe it is right?



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But a company can deny service based on the type of clothing one is wearing. Like the typical "No shoes, no shirt, no service" signs. Is that not discriminating against that group of people?
No.






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ponger3d
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Yes, it is discriminating. You are creating a separate group out of those people. You have defined a group of people with vague standards and are now denying them service. Just like how you can say I will group people based on their skin color and then deny them service.





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Fruitless argument. At one point in time sex and race weren't protected either.


Sex and race aren't choices that you make.






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ballscaster


In summation, you're ok with the state punishing a business that does not want to serve a specific set of people due to their religious beliefs? Right?






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