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And who does the black community put its faith into to fix these problems?


Oh oh oh. I know this one. Democrats?






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He's right of course. No one wants to deal with the real problems, just mask them with other nonsense.





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Both Will and VH miss at least part of the point. Certainly there is a cultural collapse but the loss of the former business model that built Detroit would be too much for any city to readily sustain. VH is right in that small respect but idiotic to refuse to admit there's a major cultural problem with the citizens that remained instead of relocated (I'd guess the least employable and least educated people tend to remain in a formerly great city that craters out)





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The pensioners are protected. It's called food stamps, Obamacare, and public housing.







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The very people who created the problem and have been enjoying their filthy lucre for decades must be protected and kept whole in their unearned lifestyles.


Exactly. "We raped and overcharged you people, giving us high pay, bonuses and our retirees taxpayer funded velvet parachutes. Now that we've blown all the money, you people need to pay up again to keep us 'servants of the people' in the lifestyle we're accustomed to and promised ourselves."

Will is right, it's cultural. You cannot separate social issues from fiscal ones. They're tied together in the progressive philosophy -> "No one can question the morality of an individual's decisions. All consequences and costs of an individual's moral choices will be borne by the State." I'm all for being liberal on social issues and conservative on fiscal issues as long as the individual is held accountable for their actions. We're far away from that and moving further away. About to go over the cliff.






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Yes. The cesspools in Birmingham and Memphis are clearly because of the strong unions in Alabama and Tennessee.


Tennessee is a right to work state, unionizing is a joke as it holds no weight to how unions really suffocate competition

Furthermore, If Memphis were to be annexed to Mississippi, every category in positive productivity statistically would be exponentially higher in TN. Unemployment alone would be in the 3's.






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Blaming the downfall of black cities on Democrats is equally as idiotic as blaming the downfall of black schools on the government.
Ya know. As much as I hate liberal politics, the above really is true. Sure, liberals cater to this shit, but we're just not being honest if we blame the actual COLLAPSE on liberals.

There are ZERO political systems in existence that can overcome what the people of Detroit have become.

Sure, I think it's fair to point out that liberalism attracted this culture while running off the less fricked up, but now? There really is only one thing to blame and yes, it's as plain as the nose on your faces.

It also isn't as if this isn't a well documented problem WORLD WIDE.






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But in many ways, Detroit has been a victim of market forces


DA WHA?






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Imagine a city where the following is true:

1. Only 3% of fourth graders perform at the national math standards.

2. 47% of the residents are functionally illiterate.

3. 79% of the children are born to unmarried mothers.

What would you predict the future of that city to be?


Imagine if we took the money we spend on the wars and put it into the education system?













































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ScoopAndScore
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Detroit has been a victim of market forces

So "market forces" force nearly 80% of the women to make babies and then not require the man to be an active father figure. Right.
And then also these same "market forces" prohibit these mothers and fathers from teaching their kids how to read and write and do math. Also prevents these parents from teaching their kids about responsibility and the importance of doing at least average in school. I had no idea "market forces" could do all that.






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re: George Will: Detroit doesn’t have a fiscal problem, but a ‘cultural collapse’


Malcolm X said, "I told you so."





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Tennessee is a right to work state, unionizing is a joke as it holds no weight to how unions really suffocate competition


You missed my sarcasm.

Memphis and Birmingham dysfunctional cesspools obviously were not created by unions. There's some other commonality between the cesspools.

There's a reason North Baton Rouge looks like a 3rd world country, and it's not because they were just so damn progressive.






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and it's not because they were just so damn progressive.

Exactly. Perhaps the liberal dems should really call themselves Regressives. Or maybe Destructionists.






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There's a reason North Baton Rouge looks like a 3rd world country, and it's not because they were just so damn progressive.


Destruction of the family is the cause. When it is more profitable from a government assistance standpoint to have children outside of wedlock, you have a massive problem.


I suppose just by coincidence, this problem of dependence just so happens to benefit one party over the other...and that party just so happens to defend the status quo and the handouts.






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Asgard Device
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Exactly. Perhaps the liberal dems should really call themselves Regressives. Or maybe Destructionists.


Outside of the PNW and NE, they can be pretty bad.

I told a story on here about folks in North BTR complaining that a wooded lot was causing crime. Well, last night Stossel did an interview with a Detroit councilman and asked why they rejected a large developer. The councilman said "because he was going to plant a bunch of trees."

I lol'd.






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Malcolm X said, "I told you so."


Yup






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Lets think about the solution proposed by the progressive commentators. Detroit needs business investment to boost its tax revenues to pay for benefits to retirees who do nothing to maintain or improve civic services for those businesses. The current government of Detroit cannot provide adequate services to existing residents. The local populace tends to be poorly educated. So businesses are expected to invest in a location with high taxes, poor services, and a work force that is deficient in literacy. Small wonder why investors are flocking to Detroit to take advantage of the wonderful environment to start or expand a business.





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And this story should not be hijacked as one of about greedy, fiscal, public unions.



Oh no, heaven forbid. We all know the unions had nothing to do with this mess...






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re: George Will: Detroit doesn’t have a fiscal problem, but a ‘cultural collapse’


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What would you predict the future of that city to be?


Could it be the shape of things to come for the whole USA? Maybe in 100 to 150 years?






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re: George Will: Detroit doesn’t have a fiscal problem, but a ‘cultural collapse’


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Could it be the shape of things to come for the whole USA? Maybe in 100 to 150 years?
Less, IMO. What's happening is not sustainable for another 100 to 150 years.






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