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The Menagerie is the episode that got me hooked on Star Trek. I had seen some episodes before, a couple of the movies and of course the animated series, flipping the dials (back when that literally how I was changing the channels) before the start of my freshman year in Kirby-Smith dorm I stumbled on to the Menagerie part 1. Of course I had to see part 2 and was regular watch through out college.





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quote: the animated series


Blond is an OT 7, IRL 8.5.






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That was pushed to kids in the early 70s. It was a brilliant and inexpensive way to keep things going.

I was different, because at 6 years old, I was watching an episode of TOS every day (we just called it "Star Trek" back in the olden times), but, as a kid I enjoyed the animated series ("TAS" - no shit) as well.






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The Managerie was a brilliant way to incorporate the otherwise useless Cage material. There are very few instances of clips shows where the frame storyline is as strong and compelling as the one here. One of my favorite episodes of the series.





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I had seen some episodes before, a couple of the movies and of course the animated series


My confusion was due to the phrase "of course"

Roughly equivalent to saying "I'd heard Elvis' "Heartbreak Hotel", "Hound Dog", and of course his radio commercial for Southern Maid Doughnuts."






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My confusion was due to the phrase "of course"


I see. May not have been intended the way it came out - like a filler phrase, rather than literally, "of course".






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My confusion was due to the phrase "of course"


Of course that was really meant as sarcasm. I really don't remember a thing about it other than it was on and I saw it when I was a kid.



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I really don't remember a thing about it other than it was on and I saw it when I was a kid.


There were some pretty cool stories on there for kids - and, of course, the cast was able to keep working with the material for another couple of years.

Jimmy Doohan really shined on TAS - as he did most of the voices of the non regular cast.






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I didn't like the repetitive music, but overall I think TAS was great.





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This is considered the best episode of TAS:
Yesteryear

Spock travels back in time to prevent his own death during his youth on Vulcan.

Written by D.C. Fontana







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Spock travels back in time to prevent his own death during his youth on Vulcan.



It's the one that sticks out for me as well, other than the Tribbles.

I would love for someone to get the rights and rescore TAS - I bet with a more thoughtful musical score/background sounds, it could command more respect.






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Well since my reference to the animated series did not go over too well, on to the Menagerie. Lots of great stuff in this episode. The main theme being reality, even if it isn't perfect is better than an illusion. Better to be free than a slave with a comfortable life.

Spock's action seem rash, but given that General Order 7 is illogical his actions really are logical.

I don't like to crack on the dated effects, but I always called the Tathlosians(sp?) the Buttheads. Can't help but snicker when we see them from behind. I also think they've taken the concept of beer goggles to an entirely different level. On that note: Vina (Susan Oliver)

ETA: a couple of other notes. Pike calls the first officer #1 and says engage when they start the engines. These became trademarks of Jean-Luc Picard. I've heard the suits didn't like having a woman as the 2nd in command and that was part of the reason they went back to the drawing board for the 2nd pilot.



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I don't like to crack on the dated effects, but I always called the Tathlosians(sp?) the Buttheads. Can't help but snicker when we see them from behind. I also think they've taken the concept of beer


Funny you say that. I was going to post the exact opposite. I thought they did a great job with the Buttheads makeup and they still held up well today.

Very clever of Spock to stage his own court martial to keep Kirk distracted.






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I've heard the suits didn't like having a woman as the 2nd in command and that was part of the reason they went back to the drawing board for the 2nd pilot.



Those were 2 changes they wanted. "Get rid of the woman on the bridge and lose the guy with the ears."

SO, very passive aggressively, Big Gene (he was banging the girl) put the girl in sick bay (and ultimately the computer voice), hired another girl he was banging to sit behind the captain (yes, Big Gene liked the swirl, too) and fought for the guy with the ears - and won.

That guy woke up in the morning winning, and continued to win all day, every day. He lived the life that Charlie Sheen, in his drug-addled haze, thinks he lives.






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Watching the Cage, you can't help but wonder what the series would have been like if the network had liked the first pilot.





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Very clever of Spock to stage his own court martial to keep Kirk distracted


it was very logical. Really this episode is an ingenius way to use the original pilot. Lets face it, that was probably done to save money (hey we've already filmed this, lets air it somehow). could have been really chessey, but they built a classic episode around the old footage, that's not that easy.






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Watching the Cage, you can't help but wonder what the series would have been like if the network had liked the first pilot.







It's actually a lot more clear from "The Cage" that they were directly ripping off Forbidden Planet. By the time we got the second pilot "Where No Man..." and into the season, it was more credibly "Wagon Train to the Stars", although still had that spirit of Forbidden Planet.

It was much more of a military "feeling" operation and the opening scenes had much more of the feel of a ship at sea, or a submarine - which TOS would capture later with "Balance of Terror" and perfected as nearly as possible in TWOK on the big screen.

However, I find this material to be a little claustrophobic or confining. Whether it was the setting, the subject matter or just that much of the episode occurred in Pike's imagination - a sort of forced mental illness, I've always been a little unnerved by The Menagerie/The Cage.

But it is one of the best. As we have discussed before, most shows struggle to find its sea legs for a season or more. TOS was hitting homeruns in the first season, and about half of the very best episodes come during this run - including The Menagerie.

In particular, The Menagerie is one of the best examples of a great cost-cutting epsiodes. It combines elements of a bottle show and a clip show. They had Malachi Throne as both Mendez and the illusion of Mendez film new scenes, but he was the voice of The Keeper from The Cage.

This would also have been the first airing of Janos Prohaska (although his scenes for this were filmed during the production of The Cage itself) - as both the bird and ape in the titular "menagerie". He would later appear as the mother Horta, the Mugato and Yarnek.




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