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the government steps in and forces it industry wide.


Example - commercial transportation of goods and services.






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Patrick O Rly
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So it's not demeaning to workers who fund the food stamp program.



The whole concept that you need money taken from you so that people can lord over you is demeaning.






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Chimlim
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I think it's perfectly acceptable to do all the drugs you want to do. I don't need the government telling me what I can and can't put in my own body. Who the frick are they to know what is good and whats bad for me.


When your consistent drug use inhibits you from holding down a full time job and you have to collect welfare and food stamps - then it becomes my business.






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upgrayedd
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The whole concept that you need money taken from you so that people can lord over you is demeaning.


That's a pretty good way to put it







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BugAC
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I also don't think they'll sit idly by and starve to death.


Who in the hell is going to starve in this country at this day and time? You have to really, really try to starve in this country. There are numerous homeless shelters, soup kitchens, and charities that do just this thing. If someone is committing a crime, in this day and age, it is most certainly not for food. It is for selfish reasons. You can thank Obama and the left for demonizing the rich.

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I think it's perfectly acceptable to do all the drugs you want to do. I don't need the government telling me what I can and can't put in my own body. Who the frick are they to know what is good and whats bad for me.



They are the government. If you are accepting handouts from the government, they have every right to stipulate who gets what, depending on what you put in your body. Your party is the one that is expanding this. Think Obamacare. You think the drug war is bad, imagine the "unhealthy food" war that is pending. You created this unfettered government power. Now reap it.






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Turbeauxdog
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I look at this as the people funding this program would like more oversight on the people who are laying claim to these funds.

That seems perfectly reasonable.

The mission behind these programs is to provide people in hardship a helping hand to stabilize their life and allow them to get back on their feet.

Perpetual drug use is completely inconsistent with this mission as it incredibly difficult to be a frequent drug user and be a self-sustaining and productive member of our country.

Even in the short run it costs slightly more money (don't buy it), I would tend to believe in the long run it will encourage better behavior.

Even if it doesn't, it's the just thing to do for the people who are paying for this program.

(disclaimer: I wouldn't screen for mj as I view it on equal footing with alcohol)






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BaylorTiger
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Patrick O Rly


There's several posts in this thread stating the flawed logic in saying with out a doubt it loses money.

There's about equally as many, yet equally fallible, arguments for it saving money. Fact is, no one has proof either way.

And don't go running to the OMG but Florida lost 45K testing 4,000 people...



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oklahogjr
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Your party is the one that is expanding this

doubtful.
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If you are accepting handouts from the government, they have every right to stipulate who gets what, depending on what you put in your body.

My question is where do you stop with the testing do we drug test? The government might define tax breaks you get as a reason to drug test you. are you ok with that?






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ShortyRob
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House approves amendment to Farm bill to test food stamp recipients for drugs


I understand why this is wanted and I even used to support it. But, upon reflection, I'm not really on board.






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oklahogjr
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Perpetual drug use is completely inconsistent with this mission as it incredibly difficult to be a frequent drug user and be a self-sustaining and productive member of our country.

not really. Lots of our most successful people have been and will be on drugs. I've done more drugs with people who make 100k+ a year than people on welfare.

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Even if it doesn't, it's the just thing to do for the people who are paying for this program.


I'd rather it be cheaper and we get some abuse than to increase costs with the same benefits and only stop a small fraction of what some would call abuse.






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Turbeauxdog
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My question is where do you stop with the testing do we drug test? The government might define tax breaks you get as a reason to drug test you. are you ok with that?


Keeping my money not equal to getting other peoples money.

You seem to fall in line with the government owns everything and allows you to have what they see fit crowd.






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My question is where do you stop with the testing do we drug test? The government might define tax breaks you get as a reason to drug test you. are you ok with that?



If you are on food stamps you are most likely not paying much if any income taxes. That's the greatest tax break.






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Chimlim
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The mission behind these programs is to provide people in hardship a helping hand to stabilize their life and allow them to get back on their feet.


It's the whole "getting back on their feet" part that people aren't doing. And, in how many cases is drug use the main culprit in people not having any desire to go back to work?

Maybe if they implement a time limit for collecting food stamps, like 2 years, to light a fire under these people's asses to go out and find a job. Or is encouraging them to get jobs demeaning to the poor as well?






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Ace Midnight
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Such a waste of money.


Why do we do require it of cops and military personnel, then? Is that a waste of money?







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upgrayedd
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My question is where do you stop with the testing do we drug test? The government might define tax breaks you get as a reason to drug test you. are you ok with that?


Keeping my money not equal to getting other peoples money.

You seem to fall in line with the government owns everything and allows you to have what they see fit crowd.


As much as I hate to agree with him, he does have a point. Whether he has that view of taxes or not is irrelevant. It is, however, the way the govt views tax breaks, aka upper class welfare.






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oklahogjr
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Keeping my money not equal to getting other peoples money.

You seem to fall in line with the government owns everything and allows you to have what they see fit crowd.


i'm saying that if obamacare can be ruled a tax what is to stop them from ruling that this a tax break is a reason to drug test. I don't think tax breaks are government hand outs but the government would disagree with me most likely.






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oklahogjr
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Why do we do require it of cops and military personnel, then?

I really don't know.

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Is that a waste of money?

yes. I don't believe you should be able to come to work high. I do believe it isn't your employers or the governments business what you do with your free time.






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Ace Midnight
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Keeping my money not equal to getting other peoples money.


How is it this always seems like a foreign language to the left?






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Bard
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"It costs a lot of public money just to humiliate people," she said. "It'll cost $75 for one of these drug tests, and for what purpose? Just to criminalize and humiliate poor people."


There needs to be a bit more shame in taking food stamps. Doing things like making EBT cards look like legit credit cards does much more bad than good as instead of (the intended intent) giving people the self-esteem boost to go out and get a job, it just makes them less self-conscious about using it (and thus more likely to not only use it, but to use it longer).

As to the drug testing... I have no problem with anyone (including legislators) that are on the public dole being spot-checked for drugs. For handout programs though drug-testing is much more relevant because the whole idea behind the handouts is to be temporary safety net so people can get back on their feet. People using those proceeds for drugs are far less likely to get back to a position of financial independence and thus are a legitimate risk.






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Patrick O Rly
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That's a pretty good way to put it



Think about it. They refer to each other as the honorable congressmen/woman from such and such, and they're some of the biggest, lying pieces of shite in our society.

We play "Hail to the Chief" and put him above everyone else. People cried in an act of worship when he was elected. We threw him a parade and multiple parties. His wife takes trips that cost 100 million dollars.

They're rulers. Just because I may have a small say in who will rule me doesn't mean I don't have a ruler.






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