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401k, IRA and Roth IRA

Posted on 5/26/13 at 10:45 pm
Posted by Paul Allen
Montauk, NY
Member since Nov 2007
78438 posts
Posted on 5/26/13 at 10:45 pm
Can one invest in all 3? Example: 401k through work program (Fidelity) and a separate traditional and Roth IRA with let's say Vanguard.
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
53511 posts
Posted on 5/26/13 at 11:31 pm to
Yes.

But the 5500 contribution limit applies to both the Roth and IRA combined.

And generally speaking, it's not in your best interest to contribute to both simultaneously.
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
75703 posts
Posted on 5/26/13 at 11:32 pm to
quote:

But the 5500 contribution limit applies to both the Roth and IRA combined.
Really.. Didn't know that
Posted by foshizzle
Washington DC metro
Member since Mar 2008
40599 posts
Posted on 5/26/13 at 11:48 pm to
One can invest in all three, yes. But the total contributed to the Roth and traditional IRA combined cannot exceed a certain amount. Last year that was $5000. Most people pick either the Roth or the traditional and not both.

The 401(k) is unrelated to the IRA (Roth or traditional), you can do either or both.
Posted by Paul Allen
Montauk, NY
Member since Nov 2007
78438 posts
Posted on 5/27/13 at 8:53 am to
Ok, that sounds good. Thanks
Posted by Dead Mike
Cell Block 4
Member since Mar 2010
4065 posts
Posted on 5/27/13 at 2:51 pm to
quote:

And generally speaking, it's not in your best interest to contribute to both simultaneously.



Why?
Posted by HailToTheChiz
Back in Auburn
Member since Aug 2010
54887 posts
Posted on 5/27/13 at 3:31 pm to
what are the reasons to pick a roth over a traditional ira?

i understand, i think, that the traditional ira is not pre taxed, and the roth is taxed as money goes in
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
53511 posts
Posted on 5/27/13 at 5:22 pm to
quote:

Why?


Because one is best used when you expect taxes to be higher in retirement than now, and the other the opposite.

There is a benefit in tax diversification, but it's best attained at different times.

So typically Roth is better early career, traditional later.
This post was edited on 5/27/13 at 5:24 pm
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
Throbbing Member
Member since Dec 2012
70096 posts
Posted on 5/27/13 at 6:28 pm to
quote:

what are the reasons to pick a roth over a traditional ira?


Because the roth grows tax free and distributions aren't taxed.

Let's say you have $1 million to live on in retirement. You pull $50000 /year off to live on. If you pull from a roth, you get all of that $50K tax free., with a traditional, you pay taxes on the $50K.
Posted by HailToTheChiz
Back in Auburn
Member since Aug 2010
54887 posts
Posted on 5/27/13 at 8:52 pm to
so the decision between a roth and ira is basically whether you think taxes will be lower or higher by the time you retire?
Posted by yellowtiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Mar 2004
3104 posts
Posted on 5/27/13 at 9:00 pm to
is the limit $5,000 or $5,500?
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
53511 posts
Posted on 5/27/13 at 9:01 pm to
5500 in 2013

Increasing in increments of 500 due to inflation
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
Throbbing Member
Member since Dec 2012
70096 posts
Posted on 5/27/13 at 9:03 pm to
quote:

so the decision between a roth and ira is basically whether you think taxes will be lower or higher by the time you retire?


That's a way of looking at it. But I do both, and I recommend doing both. I recommend the Roth first because it has other advantages such as being able to withdraw contributions before retirement without penalty.
Posted by dewster
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
26617 posts
Posted on 5/27/13 at 10:03 pm to
quote:

so the decision between a roth and ira is basically whether you think taxes will be lower or higher by the time you retire?


There's limits to a Roth as well. If you anticipate earning over the limit in the near future, contribute the max now.

I think it's $173,000 for joint file, $110,000 for single.

Posted by HailToTheChiz
Back in Auburn
Member since Aug 2010
54887 posts
Posted on 5/27/13 at 10:22 pm to
Oh ok so the Roth account itself has a max before you have to withdraw as well as a Mac contribution to it per year
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