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re: Anyone think Monty sucks at developing players?
Posted on 5/26/13 at 9:05 am to MSG
Posted on 5/26/13 at 9:05 am to MSG
I think people hear the phrase "develop players" and think coaches can magically bless players with new skills. That's really not how it works. Player Development is all on the player. What the coach does, and what Monty seems pretty good at doing is getting the players to focus on what they're good at or what they should be good at. Most players have had their asses kissed their whole life so apparently it's a coaching skill to get them to believe they're not actually good at something. Monty has this coaching skill to get players to accept that they are role players and not superstars that just haven't taken enough bad shots to shine yet.
Player development is really the only thing Monty has to hang his hat on but I think the development is undeniable and ShamelessPel's list is a pretty good accounting of it. There may be a few individual players to quibble over their classification, but it's a pretty solid list and anyone who disagrees really is just looking for reasons to hate on Monty and not objectively looking at what has happened since he's been here.
Player development is really the only thing Monty has to hang his hat on but I think the development is undeniable and ShamelessPel's list is a pretty good accounting of it. There may be a few individual players to quibble over their classification, but it's a pretty solid list and anyone who disagrees really is just looking for reasons to hate on Monty and not objectively looking at what has happened since he's been here.
Posted on 5/26/13 at 10:40 am to TigerinATL
+1
Many of these guys are used to being the best player on the court from middle school through college. Just isn't the case in the NBA.
Many of these guys are used to being the best player on the court from middle school through college. Just isn't the case in the NBA.
Posted on 5/26/13 at 11:04 am to tgr4ever
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Austin Rivers
pump the brakes.
Posted on 5/26/13 at 11:05 am to TigerinATL
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Player Development is all on the player.
no it's not, some of it falls the player, some on the organization and coaching staff.
Posted on 5/26/13 at 11:17 am to RonBurgundy
I meant you can't magically give a guy like Aminu a jump shot. Coaches can give direction but the player still has to put in the work and have the ability.
Posted on 5/26/13 at 11:22 am to TigerinATL
Maybe: A coaches' job is to help the player maximize. The coach can't change that max. The player also has to `agree' to do what it takes to top out. Not every coach is good for every player, either. It's about fit. Expecting 100% development success from a coach is unreasonable.
Also, Arrested Development.
Also, Arrested Development.
Posted on 5/26/13 at 11:24 am to RonBurgundy
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pump the brakes.
Why? If you compare him at the beginning of the season to where he was before the injury you will see a dramatic change.
His defense improved, his mechanics improved, his jumpshot improved, his finishing ability improved.
What is so hard to understand about that?
Posted on 5/26/13 at 11:30 am to tgr4ever
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What is so hard to understand about that?
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What is so hard to understand about that?
No one has any trouble understanding your post.
Even if it's improved, the guy was still a sub-par NBA player. It wasn't as dramatic as you make it to be and honestly the sample size on his improvement is too small to call this some type of example of great development of a player. That's being pretty fair. I've got no agenda against Rivers, he might be a good role player one day.Anyway, to the OP, the real measuring stick is if Anthony Davis jumps into star status in less than two years from today.
This post was edited on 5/26/13 at 11:33 am
Posted on 5/26/13 at 11:50 am to RonBurgundy
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Even if it's improved, the guy was still a sub-par NBA player. It wasn't as dramatic as you make it to be and honestly the sample size on his improvement is too small to call this some type of example of great development of a player. That's being pretty fair. I've got no agenda against Rivers, he might be a good role player one day.
Rivers shot something like 49.3% from the field and 42.3% from 3 his final 16 games. If that's not drastic improvement I don't know what is.
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Anyway, to the OP, the real measuring stick is if Anthony Davis jumps into star status in less than two years from today.
Here are games where he played 35+ minutes:
11/9- 23/11/2/5/2
12/18- 15/16/1/4/1
12/19- 16/5/0/1/0
12/21- 18/11/0/1/1
12/28- 25/9/0/3/1
12/29- 8/10/0/3/0
1/1- 9/13/0/4/0
3/4- 17/15/0/4/0
3/9- 20/18/2/0/0
3/12- 19/11/2/5/1
3/22- 18/15/2/2/0
3/27- 19/9/2/0/1
3/31- 17/13/2/2/1
4/9- 18/14/2/1/4
So basically all he has to do is give him more minutes.
Posted on 5/26/13 at 6:35 pm to MSG
Anthony Davis and Rivers all improved throughout the season, Aminu and Greivis have grown as well. Not to mention Jason Smith and Robin Lopez(but that was more of a guy who was decent getting more minutes).
Hard to say Monty sucks at developing players when all the young players we've had in his time here have all really just arrived in the last year or 2
Hard to say Monty sucks at developing players when all the young players we've had in his time here have all really just arrived in the last year or 2
Posted on 5/27/13 at 12:25 am to BayouFann
Anyone is better at it than Byron.
Posted on 5/27/13 at 1:02 am to JabarkusRussell
Posted on 5/27/13 at 2:05 am to LosLobos111
It still pisses me of Byron played bums like Rodney Rogers over the young guys.
This post was edited on 5/27/13 at 2:36 am
Posted on 5/27/13 at 2:29 am to JabarkusRussell
...what u talkin bout Russell!!
Posted on 5/27/13 at 2:39 am to BayouFann
The sad thing is, I desperately wanted him as a coach and thought the Hornets got a steal with him.
I guess all of the success in NJ was due to the assistants (Eddie Jordan, Lawrence Frank, etc.)
Posted on 5/27/13 at 3:10 am to JabarkusRussell
also his shite eating grin
Posted on 5/27/13 at 8:22 am to JabarkusRussell
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The sad thing is, I desperately wanted him as a coach and thought the Hornets got a steal with him. I guess all of the success in NJ was due to the assistants (Eddie Jordan, Lawrence Frank, etc.)
I felt much the same way.
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