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re: Anyone think Monty sucks at developing players?

Posted on 5/26/13 at 9:05 am to
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 5/26/13 at 9:05 am to
I think people hear the phrase "develop players" and think coaches can magically bless players with new skills. That's really not how it works. Player Development is all on the player. What the coach does, and what Monty seems pretty good at doing is getting the players to focus on what they're good at or what they should be good at. Most players have had their asses kissed their whole life so apparently it's a coaching skill to get them to believe they're not actually good at something. Monty has this coaching skill to get players to accept that they are role players and not superstars that just haven't taken enough bad shots to shine yet.

Player development is really the only thing Monty has to hang his hat on but I think the development is undeniable and ShamelessPel's list is a pretty good accounting of it. There may be a few individual players to quibble over their classification, but it's a pretty solid list and anyone who disagrees really is just looking for reasons to hate on Monty and not objectively looking at what has happened since he's been here.
Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
9634 posts
Posted on 5/26/13 at 10:40 am to
+1

Many of these guys are used to being the best player on the court from middle school through college. Just isn't the case in the NBA.
Posted by RonBurgundy
Whale's Vagina(San Diego)
Member since Oct 2005
13302 posts
Posted on 5/26/13 at 11:04 am to
quote:

Austin Rivers


pump the brakes.
Posted by RonBurgundy
Whale's Vagina(San Diego)
Member since Oct 2005
13302 posts
Posted on 5/26/13 at 11:05 am to
quote:

Player Development is all on the player.


no it's not, some of it falls the player, some on the organization and coaching staff.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
62446 posts
Posted on 5/26/13 at 11:17 am to
I meant you can't magically give a guy like Aminu a jump shot. Coaches can give direction but the player still has to put in the work and have the ability.
Posted by 42
Member since Apr 2012
3703 posts
Posted on 5/26/13 at 11:22 am to
Maybe: A coaches' job is to help the player maximize. The coach can't change that max. The player also has to `agree' to do what it takes to top out. Not every coach is good for every player, either. It's about fit. Expecting 100% development success from a coach is unreasonable.

Also, Arrested Development.
Posted by tgr4ever
Gwinnett, baw
Member since Jul 2011
16214 posts
Posted on 5/26/13 at 11:24 am to
quote:

pump the brakes.


Why? If you compare him at the beginning of the season to where he was before the injury you will see a dramatic change.

His defense improved, his mechanics improved, his jumpshot improved, his finishing ability improved.

What is so hard to understand about that?
Posted by RonBurgundy
Whale's Vagina(San Diego)
Member since Oct 2005
13302 posts
Posted on 5/26/13 at 11:30 am to
quote:

What is so hard to understand about that?
quote:

What is so hard to understand about that?


No one has any trouble understanding your post.

Even if it's improved, the guy was still a sub-par NBA player. It wasn't as dramatic as you make it to be and honestly the sample size on his improvement is too small to call this some type of example of great development of a player. That's being pretty fair. I've got no agenda against Rivers, he might be a good role player one day.Anyway, to the OP, the real measuring stick is if Anthony Davis jumps into star status in less than two years from today.
This post was edited on 5/26/13 at 11:33 am
Posted by tgr4ever
Gwinnett, baw
Member since Jul 2011
16214 posts
Posted on 5/26/13 at 11:50 am to
quote:

Even if it's improved, the guy was still a sub-par NBA player. It wasn't as dramatic as you make it to be and honestly the sample size on his improvement is too small to call this some type of example of great development of a player. That's being pretty fair. I've got no agenda against Rivers, he might be a good role player one day.


Rivers shot something like 49.3% from the field and 42.3% from 3 his final 16 games. If that's not drastic improvement I don't know what is.
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Anyway, to the OP, the real measuring stick is if Anthony Davis jumps into star status in less than two years from today.


Here are games where he played 35+ minutes:
11/9- 23/11/2/5/2
12/18- 15/16/1/4/1
12/19- 16/5/0/1/0
12/21- 18/11/0/1/1
12/28- 25/9/0/3/1
12/29- 8/10/0/3/0
1/1- 9/13/0/4/0
3/4- 17/15/0/4/0
3/9- 20/18/2/0/0
3/12- 19/11/2/5/1
3/22- 18/15/2/2/0
3/27- 19/9/2/0/1
3/31- 17/13/2/2/1
4/9- 18/14/2/1/4



So basically all he has to do is give him more minutes.
Posted by chrisksaint
Florida
Member since Jul 2011
1712 posts
Posted on 5/26/13 at 6:35 pm to
Anthony Davis and Rivers all improved throughout the season, Aminu and Greivis have grown as well. Not to mention Jason Smith and Robin Lopez(but that was more of a guy who was decent getting more minutes).

Hard to say Monty sucks at developing players when all the young players we've had in his time here have all really just arrived in the last year or 2
Posted by JabarkusRussell
Member since Jul 2009
15825 posts
Posted on 5/27/13 at 12:25 am to
Anyone is better at it than Byron.
Posted by BayouFann
CenLa
Member since Jun 2012
7200 posts
Posted on 5/27/13 at 1:02 am to
. has he trademarked the emotionless arm fold yet?
Posted by LosLobos111
Austere
Member since Feb 2011
45385 posts
Posted on 5/27/13 at 1:09 am to
quote:

tgr4ever


Posted by JabarkusRussell
Member since Jul 2009
15825 posts
Posted on 5/27/13 at 2:05 am to
It still pisses me of Byron played bums like Rodney Rogers over the young guys.
This post was edited on 5/27/13 at 2:36 am
Posted by BayouFann
CenLa
Member since Jun 2012
7200 posts
Posted on 5/27/13 at 2:29 am to
...what u talkin bout Russell!!
Posted by JabarkusRussell
Member since Jul 2009
15825 posts
Posted on 5/27/13 at 2:39 am to
The sad thing is, I desperately wanted him as a coach and thought the Hornets got a steal with him. I guess all of the success in NJ was due to the assistants (Eddie Jordan, Lawrence Frank, etc.)

Posted by LosLobos111
Austere
Member since Feb 2011
45385 posts
Posted on 5/27/13 at 3:10 am to
also his shite eating grin



Posted by VOR
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2009
69020 posts
Posted on 5/27/13 at 8:22 am to
quote:

The sad thing is, I desperately wanted him as a coach and thought the Hornets got a steal with him. I guess all of the success in NJ was due to the assistants (Eddie Jordan, Lawrence Frank, etc.)


I felt much the same way.
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