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Pats cut player due to disability? Discrimination or Smart Move? Update from PFT
Posted on 5/16/13 at 8:23 am
Posted on 5/16/13 at 8:23 am
Starting DT found out he has Type-2 Diabetes
Started 11 games last year and was set to make 750k this season.
Undrafted in 2010, hasn't missed a game with 25 starts since. Jay Cutler has type-1 diabetes. So he isn't the first player although I'm no medical expert so I don't know difference.
More per PFT
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Started 11 games last year and was set to make 750k this season.
Undrafted in 2010, hasn't missed a game with 25 starts since. Jay Cutler has type-1 diabetes. So he isn't the first player although I'm no medical expert so I don't know difference.
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The ruthless nature of football decision-making has resulted in plenty of fans and reporters becoming desensitized to the human element of these moves. And that causes us all, in some situations, to miss potential violations of human rights.
For former Patriots defensive tackle Kyle Love, the facts as communicated by his agent to the media (and not yet refuted by the Patriots) point to the conclusion that the team cut Love because Love has Type-2 diabetes. And that points to a potential violation of the federal Americans with Disabilities Act and any Massachusetts laws covering a persons rights when it comes to certain physical and medical conditions.
The labor deal omits actual or perceived disability as a ground on which discrimination is prohibited by Article 49 of the document. That decision likely was aimed at preventing players from arguing that the cruel-but-inevitable decision to strip a roster spot from an older, damaged player and give it to a younger guy resulted from physical conditions that the team should have found a way to reasonably accommodate.
Still, rights not covered by a labor deal typically exist beyond the four corners of a Collective Bargaining Agreement, allowing the employee to file suit. While suing the Patriots could make it harder for Love to continue his NFL elsewhere, a decision to lump it doesn’t mean the Patriots properly respected his legal rights.
More per PFT
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And while Love could, in theory, pursue legal claims against the team under the federal Americans with Disabilities Act or the Massachusetts equivalent, agent Richard Kopelman tells PFT that Love’s current focus is on getting healthy and finding a new NFL team.
Though Kopelman hasn’t completely ruled out an eventual lawsuit, Kopelman explained that Love has no hard feelings against the team for doing what it believed it needed to do. From Love’s perspective, if the team doesn’t want him, then he needs to find one who does.
What his most recent team did, per Kopelman, was offer Love two alternatives: retire for a year or be released. Though the Pats were willing to waive any ability to recover a portion of his signing bonus if he opted to retired, Love wants to play football.
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This post was edited on 5/16/13 at 12:05 pm
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Posted on 5/16/13 at 8:31 am to tduecen
A defensive tackle has to carry a lot of weight to be effective at his job. One of the ways to combay type 2 diabetes is to lose a lot of weight.
Something's got to give one way or the other.
The Patriots have given him the opportunity to get his condition under control and have protected themselves in the process. They've taken away his ability to use his employment as an excuse for not getting his condition under control.
I don't have a problem with this.
Something's got to give one way or the other.
The Patriots have given him the opportunity to get his condition under control and have protected themselves in the process. They've taken away his ability to use his employment as an excuse for not getting his condition under control.
I don't have a problem with this.
Posted on 5/16/13 at 8:33 am to ProjectP2294
I am diabetic and I understand
Posted on 5/16/13 at 8:34 am to tduecen
Posted on 5/16/13 at 8:35 am to ProjectP2294
Well we don't know if Pats did or not yet, I put in bold where the Pats could protect themselves if they attempted to work with him. If they didn't and they cut him due to that reason he may have a lawsuit. Reports are he lost 20 pounds from he listed playing weight right now.
Posted on 5/16/13 at 8:35 am to ProjectP2294
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Something's got to give one way or the other.
They could save a lot of face if they offered him a job in the front office. Doesn't have to be something major, but to show they are helping him battle his diabetes while giving him a job would be a nice touch
Posted on 5/16/13 at 8:35 am to BilJ
Hey its no fun but I have it easy Just pills and diet. But... it saps your strength in many ways
Posted on 5/16/13 at 8:47 am to GeauxAggie972
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They could save a lot of face if they offered him a job in the front office.
The guy could still play. Cutler does it with a worse type of diabetes.
This post was edited on 5/16/13 at 8:51 am
Posted on 5/16/13 at 8:51 am to sicboy
This could be interesting. Type 2 is often due to lifestyle, and if guards and defensive tackles have to be massive to be effective, type 2 diabetes could be a an unintended consequence of getting bigger to help out at your position.
Posted on 5/16/13 at 8:52 am to sicboy
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Posted on 5/16/13 at 8:56 am to graychef
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Could be agent talk, but if true, why cut him, unless there were other reasons.
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“Prior to the diagnosis, Kyle recently experienced unexplained weight loss, but since being diagnosed and having altered his diet, Kyle has regained most of the weight he lost, is in good health, and was not limited in any way during offseason workouts in which he was engaged up until being told he would be released."
Could be agent talk, but if true, why cut him, unless there were other reasons.
Posted on 5/16/13 at 9:11 am to sicboy
Something is off here, Type II does not experience unexpected weight loss, thats a sign of Type I.
I think there is some confusion in the report, that is weird...
I think there is some confusion in the report, that is weird...
Posted on 5/16/13 at 9:19 am to diplip
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Something is off here, Type II does not experience unexpected weight loss, thats a sign of Type I.
I know from a type 2 case from a person close to me that he experienced weight loss, blurred vision, and frequent urination.
Posted on 5/16/13 at 9:21 am to diplip
If he is good enough, another team will pick him up. I guarantee, he is not the only lineman in the NFL with type II diabetes.
Posted on 5/16/13 at 9:34 am to tduecen
Surprise, surprise....another tPOS move by the Patriots
ACLU will be all over this shite
ACLU will be all over this shite
Posted on 5/16/13 at 10:01 am to guttata
If he clears waivers a team will sign him to veteran minimum I believe. So it would be a large pay cut for him as well
Posted on 5/16/13 at 10:06 am to tduecen
Morally i cant really defend it, ill just throw out some other tidbits
-He had recently lost a lot of weight from the disease.
-He was far from a lock to make the roster this year anyway.
-He had recently lost a lot of weight from the disease.
-He was far from a lock to make the roster this year anyway.
Posted on 5/16/13 at 10:08 am to wildtigercat93
He started 11 games last year and reportedly listed as starter from PFT/USA Today article. His weight loss was 20 pounds but agent (could be agent speak) says he regained that and didn't lose strength.
Not sure, I think they could have at least brought him to camp to see first hand how he would have performed.
Not sure, I think they could have at least brought him to camp to see first hand how he would have performed.
Posted on 5/16/13 at 10:13 am to tduecen
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The Patriots have informed starting defensive tackle Kyle Love that he will be released with a non-football injury designation. Similar to the release of defensive tackle Brandon Deaderick on Monday, the Patriots’ decision to cut ties with Love falls into a similar category as a mild surprise. It was clear that Love was going to face increased competition for a roster spot with the free-agent additions of veteran Tommy Kelly and Canadian Football League import Armond Armstead. So if Love didn’t make the roster coming out of training camp, it wouldn’t have necessarily been a "didn't-see-that-coming" shocker. But the timing of the release, in mid-May, registers as a surprise, and comes shortly after Love had been diagnosed with Type-2 diabetes.
Everyone has been Raving about Armstead and BB loves Tommy Kelly. Plus the Pats are likely to keep and extra backer this year which could take the spot of a potiential Tackle. We also just cut Deaderik which was a decent player for us at that position.
Posted on 5/16/13 at 10:16 am to wildtigercat93
I think he could have beat out Kelly, I can't say I know much about Armstead though. Love would be a younger/cheaper option unless Kelly completely blew up in training camp/preseason it seems.
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