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Will dual-national champions be alleviated with the ncaa 4-team playoff?
Posted on 5/10/13 at 3:05 pm
Posted on 5/10/13 at 3:05 pm
I know we are going to 4-team playoff in 2014 but I havent read the nuts and bolts tbh. Assuming ESPN and the AP will continue to publish a season-end top 25 list and name a national champion..
What about this scenario:
semis:
1v4, 2v3
1 is the media darling, say Bama or ND and are undefeated after skull-fricking all opponents all year long.
1 blows out 4. And 3 narrowly edges 2 in an ugly, poorly officiated game.
finals:
1v3
3 miraculously beats the paper champ in a hideous game in driving rain and sloppy field conditions.
Will ESPN or AP still be able to give a Nat'l Championship to the 1 seed if they want?
What about this scenario:
semis:
1v4, 2v3
1 is the media darling, say Bama or ND and are undefeated after skull-fricking all opponents all year long.
1 blows out 4. And 3 narrowly edges 2 in an ugly, poorly officiated game.
finals:
1v3
3 miraculously beats the paper champ in a hideous game in driving rain and sloppy field conditions.
Will ESPN or AP still be able to give a Nat'l Championship to the 1 seed if they want?
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Posted on 5/10/13 at 3:07 pm to The Mick
ESPN/Coaches will probably be contractually obligated to give it to the playoff winner.
The AP will be free to do what it wants, but I couldn't ever foresee a situation where that happened.
The AP will be free to do what it wants, but I couldn't ever foresee a situation where that happened.
Posted on 5/10/13 at 3:10 pm to TigerBoy85
Or what if the 1, 2, and 3 seeds all lose. 4 wins the crystal ball (or whatever) and 5 seed who controversally was left out of the playoff destroys someone in their bowl game? (and the 5 seed had beaten the 2 seed during the year)
This post was edited on 5/10/13 at 3:11 pm
Posted on 5/10/13 at 3:10 pm to The Mick
The only way I could ever see the AP giving the title to someone other than the 4 team playoff, is if there were a undefeated team that beat the crap out of the playoff winner & they were on probation.
Posted on 5/10/13 at 3:14 pm to TigerintheNO
How about 1 and 2 are both undefeated. 3 4 5 all have one loss. 5 gets left out.
4 beats 1, 3 beats 2, then 4 wins it all.
5 murders their bowl opponent. Now we have 5 teams with 1 loss each.
4 beats 1, 3 beats 2, then 4 wins it all.
5 murders their bowl opponent. Now we have 5 teams with 1 loss each.
Posted on 5/10/13 at 3:17 pm to TigerBoy85
No its not alleviated because its still a popularity contest based on nothing
Posted on 5/10/13 at 3:20 pm to The Mick
quote:
How about 1 and 2 are both undefeated. 3 4 5 all have one loss. 5 gets left out.
4 beats 1, 3 beats 2, then 4 wins it all.
5 murders their bowl opponent. Now we have 5 teams with 1 loss each
2 wins over 2 top 4 teams > bowl win for team 5. I can't see a scenario where there could possibly be dual champions.
Posted on 5/10/13 at 3:23 pm to EarthwormJim
what if 5 gave 4 its only loss
Posted on 5/10/13 at 3:27 pm to The Mick
Should be 8 teams IMO. Keep the BCS to pick those 8. I think it will eventually move to 8. THEN there shouldn't ever be controversy.
8-4-2-1. 7 games total.
8-4-2-1. 7 games total.
Posted on 5/10/13 at 3:38 pm to TheCaterpillar
quote:
Should be 8 teams IMO. Keep the BCS to pick those 8. I think it will eventually move to 8. THEN there shouldn't ever be controversy.
That is still a popularity contest of course there will still be controversy.
Posted on 5/10/13 at 3:55 pm to The Mick
quote:
Will dual-national champions be alleviated with the ncaa 4-team playoff?
It was alleviated when the BCS was implemented.
Posted on 5/10/13 at 4:49 pm to motorbreath
I could see th AP champ being different than MNC.
You could have an undefeated 1 lose in the finals to a two loss 3
It's a small tourney, like basketball. The best team Isn't always going to win.
You could have an undefeated 1 lose in the finals to a two loss 3
It's a small tourney, like basketball. The best team Isn't always going to win.
Posted on 5/10/13 at 4:49 pm to motorbreath
quote:
It was alleviated when the BCS was implemented.
No, it wasn't.
It's been a popularity contest based on 2 teams getting voted in via a couple of polls and some questionable computer programming.... vs. AP sportswriters voting on one winner.
Just a reminder that the AP was always the gold standard of polls until they chose to bolt the BCS system.
Still, the AP champ and BCS champ have almost always been the same.
Posted on 5/10/13 at 4:52 pm to The Mick
quote:
Will dual-national champions be alleviated with the ncaa 4-team playoff?
Dual national champions ended starting in 2004, when the AP withdrew themselves from the BCS formula.
I don't see why this is so difficult. Everyone agreed to the same system. The BCS champ is the champ, no one else. Starting in 2014, whoever wins the playoff is the champ, no one else.
Posted on 5/10/13 at 5:32 pm to TejasHorn
quote:
No, it wasn't.
Yes it was. The BCS and NCAA had an agreement that the BCS would determine the NC.
Posted on 5/10/13 at 5:35 pm to motorbreath
quote:2003?
It was alleviated when the BCS was implemented
Posted on 5/10/13 at 6:48 pm to The Mick
The AP may vote an undefeated ineligible team over a two loss playoff winner.
Posted on 5/10/13 at 7:48 pm to Master of Sinanju
The AP does not matter.
Posted on 5/10/13 at 7:52 pm to The Mick
quote:
It was alleviated when the BCS was implemented
2003?
What about 2003? The AP was a part of a whole. In 1998 every fricking body agreed to abide by the BCS system, and that the national champion would be whoever won the BCS title game.
That would be absolutely NO different than if last year the Massey or Colley Matrix computer polls ended with Georgia as the national champion. That was a part of the BCS whole. Anyone who thinks USC was the 2003 national champion is a fricking moron who doesn't deserve to have their opinion heard.
And starting in 2004, the AP is even more irrelevant since they pulled out of the BCS. They are nothing. The AP poll means as much in determining the national champ as the ESPN Fan voted power poll.
This post was edited on 5/10/13 at 7:54 pm
Posted on 5/10/13 at 7:59 pm to The Mick
There are no dual Championships in my world, Did you win the National Championship Game?
If you did, Then you are the National Champions.
If you did, Then you are the National Champions.
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