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ellishughtiger
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I feel sorry for the children and parents who actually care and are already involved with the vouchers. But honestly it seems like everything Jindal brings to the plate is unconstitutional.





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SlowFlowPro
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Black kids were benefiting from vouchers more than whites. The black kids are the ones stuck in crappy public schools and can't afford to transfer to a private school.

Learn the facts before you post.

even with that, black groups are often against these programs (and charter schools). it really is mind-numbing






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HeadBusta4LSU
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Black kids were benefiting from vouchers more than whites. The black kids are the ones stuck in crappy public schools and can't afford to transfer to a private school.


Oh I absolutely know that, go read the wafb Facebook page and you will see what I'm talking about. They think everything Jindal does is just to suppress them more






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CajunFootball
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It's plum stupidity is what it is.





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The black kids are the ones stuck in crappy public schools and can't afford to transfer to a private school.


Just out of curiosity, if this voucher was going allow public school students access to private schools without the private pay or requirements, why not do away with private schools all together?

I have not kept up with this much






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HeadBusta4LSU
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even with that, black groups are often against these programs (and charter schools). it really is mind-numbing


This






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CajunFootball
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Oh I absolutely know that, go read the wafb Facebook page and you will see what I'm talking about. They think everything Jindal does is just to suppress them more



I wonder if they're getting told in their churches that there was more to it then there really was.






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OldSouth
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Just out of curiosity, if this voucher was going allow public school students access to private schools without the private pay or requirements, why not do away with private schools all together?

I have not kept up with this much



What?






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BRgetthenet
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black groups are often against these programs (and charter schools). it really is mind-numbing


Those are the parents who know their kids have no shot of getting into a charter, and don't like seeing others get ahead. Even if it means they are getting ahead based on merit. No, especially.






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CajunFootball
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why not do away with private schools all together?


You cannot stop a school from being selective of who it takes in, or for charging a tuition if it does not accept the government money.






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PrettyBird
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OP teaches in LA public schools. What would you think his opinion should be?


I know nothing about the OP as he has presented no information about himself in this thread. I cannot speak for him or for any public school teacher.






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SlowFlowPro
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why not do away with private schools all together?

...how?






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notiger1997
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I'm expecting the union to now push Bobby to take some of the school voucher funding and give those damn teachers a raise. They need more freaking money!!!! Pay us dammit!!!







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You cannot stop a school from being selective of who it takes in, or for charging a tuition if it does not accept the government money.


Ok that sort of answers my question. So these private schools could still turn down those students with vouchers?






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ellishughtiger
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why not do away with private schools all together?


think of it like a private country club






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PrettyBird
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So these private schools could still turn down those students with vouchers?


Private schools have the right to be selective with their requirements.






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CajunFootball
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What school would turn down money though? They don't care who is going to pay their tuition. The taxpayers or mom and dad.





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southernelite
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even with that, black groups are often against these programs (and charter schools). it really is mind-numbing


block voting and believing teachers deciet.

also, most of the teachers against this didn't even give a shite about the vouchers, they just used that as a front. they really have a problem with their performance measures that were built into this entire package.






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What school would turn down money though? They don't care who is going to pay their tuition. The taxpayers or mom and dad.



I can think of a couple schools off the top of my head just in Baton Rouge.






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fouldeliverer
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Whether or not it is unconstitutional and whether or not you agree with the plan is two separate issues. I think it is clearly unconstitutional, that says nothing of my approval or disapproval of the plan.


There are several complex issues with the voucher system. One being that you are allocating tax payer money to religious institutions. Secondly, I think the plan was poorly designed. There were major illogical components which would have been exposed by a variety of different circumstances. Why have stringent requirements on public schools, administrators, and teachers but not have many of these same requirements for the schools to which these students are allowed to transfer? Teachers are tied to parish and state standards and curriculum but these schools aren't.
The public schools have standardized tests and other modes of evaluating the students progress and the teacher's ability, the private schools and teachers aren't held to the same accountability. If the public schools are rated on a A-F grade school shouldn't the private schools receiving funding for the voucher kids be rated as well. How do the parents or politicians know that they aren't shifting their kids to an even worse school? What about children who start the year in the voucher program but then switch back to the public system? The private school already received the monies for that student, and now the public school will be overcrowded and underfunded. I could go on and on, there were way too many unaccounted for contingencies.




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