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What makes coaching in the nfl so much harder than college?
Posted on 4/16/13 at 8:13 pm
Posted on 4/16/13 at 8:13 pm
We've seen college legends like holtz, saban, switzer(once jimmys players ran out) and spurrier fail pretty miserably there. Is it the amount of work needed to be successfull or is it that these coaches had been used to having huge talent advantages in college and were average when playing on an even field
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Posted on 4/16/13 at 8:16 pm to cfbfan#1
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huge talent advantages in college
Posted on 4/16/13 at 8:19 pm to cfbfan#1
I think there is a huge difference between getting kids that do not get paid anything to take direction
as opposed to getting men who get paid millions of dollars to take direction.
Not that this is the only hurdle to jump.
as opposed to getting men who get paid millions of dollars to take direction.
Not that this is the only hurdle to jump.
This post was edited on 4/16/13 at 8:22 pm
Posted on 4/16/13 at 8:20 pm to Tactical1
In the NFL you very rarely get to hand select all your players. Some you just have to deal with.
In college after 4 years, they are all the guys you picked to be there.
In college after 4 years, they are all the guys you picked to be there.
Posted on 4/16/13 at 8:36 pm to cfbfan#1
A good college coach is just a good salesman
A good NFL coach is a good coach
A good NFL coach is a good coach
Posted on 4/16/13 at 8:38 pm to cfbfan#1
Less talent differential, more cutthroat against coaches meaning you're only going against the best, GM makes all the decisions regarding personnel, players can openly question you and get away with it, less patient fans, etc.
Posted on 4/16/13 at 8:40 pm to tween the hedges
The coaches on the other sideline.
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Posted on 4/16/13 at 8:43 pm to DelU249
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A good college coach is just a good salesman
A good NFL coach is a good coach
I disagree with this statement. A good college coach is one who can develop talent and recruit. Plus football trends usually start in college and work its way up to the NFL.
A good NFL coach needs to be able to deal with egos from the players and upper management.
This post was edited on 4/16/13 at 8:44 pm
Posted on 4/16/13 at 8:48 pm to cfbfan#1
Im not sure one is really "harder" than the other, they just require different skill sets
Posted on 4/16/13 at 8:51 pm to cfbfan#1
Good NFL coaches are players coaches like Jimmy Johnson. The players in the NFL don't seem to respond as well to disciplinarians.
Posted on 4/16/13 at 8:52 pm to Jalbow3
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Good NFL coaches are players coaches like Jimmy Johnson. The players in the NFL don't seem to respond as well to disciplinarians.
Broad strokes youre painting there.
Posted on 4/16/13 at 8:55 pm to wildtigercat93
NFL also doesn't have the benefit of facing the likes of a "St. Mary University" or a "Western Kentucky"
The 1-7 St. Louis Rams can give a rookie head coach out of college a bad day.
The 1-7 St. Louis Rams can give a rookie head coach out of college a bad day.
Posted on 4/16/13 at 8:56 pm to wildtigercat93
The few NFL coaches I've talked to through friends say they are more likely to ”suggest” things to NFL players than coach them.
Posted on 4/16/13 at 8:56 pm to cfbfan#1
Players have a lot of power
Agents create a lot of headaches
NFL is a 365 day job, CFB not so much
I once read a typical NFL coach daily and annual schedule and it was insane
Agents create a lot of headaches
NFL is a 365 day job, CFB not so much
I once read a typical NFL coach daily and annual schedule and it was insane
Posted on 4/16/13 at 8:56 pm to cfbfan#1
I don't think coaching in the NFL is necessarily harder than college. Different skill sets are required but that doesn't make it harder.
Won't it almost always come down to the players?
If Nick Saban at Miami picks Drew Brees instead of Culpepper isn't he probably still at Miami?
Won't it almost always come down to the players?
If Nick Saban at Miami picks Drew Brees instead of Culpepper isn't he probably still at Miami?
Posted on 4/16/13 at 9:03 pm to cfbfan#1
Posted on 4/16/13 at 9:09 pm to cfbfan#1
It's the talent gap. The great college coaches get great players. Look at Nick Saban, how many teams does he face each year with equal talent? Les Miles has pretty equal talent, and Miles has been more successful against Saban than anyone. Is Gene Chizik a better coach, or did he just have a once in a lifetime athlete?
There is something to handling a pro athlete vs a college athlete, but the main factor is the talent gap.
There is something to handling a pro athlete vs a college athlete, but the main factor is the talent gap.
Posted on 4/16/13 at 9:12 pm to Tactical1
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I think there is a huge difference between getting kids that do not get paid anything to take direction
as opposed to getting men who get paid millions of dollars to take direction.
This. Jimmy Johnson said this a few years back, that college was much easier to coach. Two different skill sets and he's one of the few that could do both well.
Posted on 4/16/13 at 9:12 pm to cfbfan#1
Dispersion of talent is the biggest thing and you can't just get the guys you want like you can in college. What if Saban had drafted Aaron Rodgers instead of Ronnie Brown?
Posted on 4/16/13 at 9:17 pm to wildtigercat93
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Good NFL coaches are players coaches like Jimmy Johnson. The players in the NFL don't seem to respond as well to disciplinarians.
Broad strokes youre painting there.
Perhaps he hasn't heard of Tom Coughlin and Bill Belichick. Both are extremely hard disciplinarians and have had success with it. They just seem to know when to back off and when to apply pressure.
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