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Stop using age as a measuring stick. It's not. It's how many years they are in the NBA. 1st year. 2nd year. Age has nothing to do with it. Show me those guys that played over 25 minutes as rookies PER.

He shots 6 3s, makes 2.3 of them. Why would you want him not to shot threes??

Again, look at how better he has gotten since the all star break. Scoring 21 points with 6.6 assists. Shooting 47% from FG and 43.6% from 3s.






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GynoSandberg
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Well must of been a hell of a conference considering how he is playing during his rookie year. Age means nothing unless your a 35 year old rookie. A 1st year player is a 1st year player. So since Lillard played college for 4 years and developed some there, he can't develop more in the NBA? Since he was a 22 year old rookie when he got in the league he can't develop anymore. Yea that makes a lot of sense. Horrible premise.


Developing 2 or 3 years in the NBA or developing 2 or 3 years in college, regardless of conference? Hmmm.

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There is no way you believe most of thise guys are better than Lillard. Out of all these guys, there might be only 3-4 I would put on level with Lillard. Rondo, Holiday, and Lawson are the only ones for sure. Conley is a great floor leader and good defender, but he can't score that well and averages less assists than Lillard does. Miller was a baller but is getting up there in age. Rubio is good some nights then checks out other nights. Jose Calderon is listed as the #7 PG. Thats laughable. I'm a huge Kemba Walker fan, but Lillard is better than him. He's #12 PG on PER. Lowry as the #11 PG on PER. Not even gonna say anything about that.



Dude, there is more to the game than accumulating points and assists. Put down your Playstaton controllers. Those are counting stats that go up the more minutes one plays. Most of those guys are putting up similar numbers while playing substantially less minutes.

You love assists so much, Jose Calderon has been in the top 5 in assists for like the past 8 years.

Conley is one of the best defensive PGs in the league.

Kemba Walker puts up Kyrie Irving-lite numbers.

Lowry plays 30 MPG and has the same amount of assists as Lillard AND pulls in 5 rebounds a game on top of that.

Your lips are too firmly attached to Lillard's cock to see the big picture, my man.






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GynoSandberg
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Stop using age as a measuring stick. It's not. It's how many years they are in the NBA. 1st year. 2nd year. Age has nothing to do with it. Show me those guys that played over 25 minutes as rookies PER.


Arvydas Sabonis was a 31 year old rookie. 24 MPG as a rookie. 24.7 PER.

Anthony Davis is a 20 year old rookie. 28 MPG. 21.5 PER


Age isn't a measuring stick!



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KG5989
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Just because you play college for 4 years doesnt mean you are done developing as a player and already "topped out."

Jose Calderon- 11 pts 7 assists. Doesn't do anything else. He is a premier passer though. But top 10 PG? Come on.

Conley is a great floor leader and defender. I already said that. Less assists and points than Lillard though. FG% is 43 but 3s is 35.

I'm a huge Kemba fan. 17.5 pts and 5.6 assists. Only shoots 42% from FG and 32% from 3. Plays 35 minutes a game. How is this Kyrie like #s, but Lillards aren't?

Lowry is 1 of the best if not the best rebounding PG in the game. He averages 12 pts, 6 assts, and 5 Rebs. Shooting 40% from FG and 37% from 3. I'll give it to you he rebounds betters, but that's it. And I don't want a PG who's best asset is rebounding.


And like I said, out of the 26 other PGs ahead of Lillard in the PER, there are only a handful of PGs besides the elite that I would take ahead of him. You prove my point correct. He's on the same level as Kemba, Lowry, and Conley.

O and your too butt hurt because Lillard is going to get ROY over AD that you find the 1 thing that says he's not a damn good PG in the PER. And I'm not comparing Lillard to AD. Again, we def went with the right guy. But to say Lillard is just average when he puts up 19/7 in his rookie year and he won't develop anymore in the league is pretty absurd.



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KG5989
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Dude one of my previous posts I addressed this. I said if you aren't a 35 year old rookie and under 23, age isn't a measuring stick. First year player is first year player, unless you are a euro that didn't come over until later.





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But we def got off topic.

Shane Larkin



Draft him.






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GynoSandberg
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O and your too butt hurt because Lillard is going to get ROY over AD


lulz

I said that Monty isn't a good coach, that EG is a bitch that is killing this team, and that Vasquez is a stat compiler like Lillard, yet I am a Hornet homer because AD should win ROY. Interdasting.

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But to say Lillard is just average when he puts up 19/7 in his rookie year


He is average this year.

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he won't develop anymore in the league is pretty absurd.


I never said he wouldn't develop. I said the guys that danimal listed all developed in the NBA during their 20-22 year old seasons. Lillard developed during those years in college.

It doesn't mean he can't get better; in fact, I listed multiple times what I think he needs to do to get better.






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KG5989
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Hey we do agree on 2 things though. EG is a bitch and a cancer and is killing our team. And Monty is a bad coach. If he would let AD play legit minutes just like most #1 picks do, he very well could be ROY.

Ok, how is 19 and 7 as a rookie average? Don't say his %. Because while they aren't great, they aren't bad. They are about average. And His percentages from the all star break on have been outstanding.







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Lillard will get better. He will get better. All-star yes. Superstar elite? Remains questionable Very few players are superstars right out the back. And Lillard does deserve rookie of the year, he has produced the most, plain and simple. If AD played 35+ min a game then he would get it. But because he doesnt, he wont win it, big whoop who cares.





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drake20
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Ah, so the pages of Lillard argument has all been spurned on by sour grapes


what sour grapes??

ya, it sucks that Davis won't win ROTY, but the Hornets have the best player from the 2012 draft.






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drake20
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I agree with Gyno. The only thing impressive about Lillard's rookie season is his PPG number...Then you take into account the absurd minutes, the egregious amount of shots he takes, and the FG%, and it's not that impressive.

Curry is a great scorer with great %...Lillard isn't...Anyone can shoot, not everyone can make em. Lowry's not great, but he puts up good PERs because he rebounds and plays very good defense. Lillard doesn't. That stuff matters. The Lillard lovers only see the 19 PPG. OMG!!!!

...minutes are the only thing that make Lillard ROTY over Davis. Davis is better than Lillard at everything. I wish the media hype machine could understand this.

3-4 years is a long arse time...it matters that Lillard is starting in the NBA that much later.



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GynoSandberg
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Who knew there was no difference between 20 year old rookies and 22 year old rookies





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ZTiger87
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Obviously only a handful of players average 36+ a game. They are usually your elite (ie not Lillard), which is why they are playing so many minutes.

But yes, guys like LBJ, Durant, Harden etc routinely exceed their per 36 minute stats.

Divide a particular stat by minutes played, x36.



This is one of the most retarded things I've ever seen anyone post. Everyone who plays over 36 minutes exceeds their per 36 minutes stats. There are no exceptions; it's a mathematical certainty.






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GynoSandberg
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GynoSandberg
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I am a retard





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tehchampion140
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In 28 min Greivis Vasquez scored 0 pts on 0-2 shooting.

Bump. 25 and 9 on 10-14 shooting and 1 reservation in Kyrie's head.






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BayouFann
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......meh.....





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tehchampion140
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1 game samples are the best measuring stick. GV > Kyrie





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VOR
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1 game samples are the best measuring stick. GV > Kyrie



head to head, brosef






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BayouFann
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see whatch did there!





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