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theunknownknight 
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| re: Libertarians: should we be free to commit incest/bestiality? (Posted on 3/13/13 at 4:25 pm to kingbob)
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1. You only have freedoms until they infringe on the freedom of others.
I don't like this definition as every publicly exercised freedom, by definition, infringes on another's rights.
For example:
Freedom of speech vs. Freedom of Listening
In other words, in public, we would have no real freedom.
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2. Animals cannot legally give consent and sexual relations could as animal abuse which is illegal.
Animals can't give consent legally because of the current legal definition of consent in many states, not all. When did we start applying human standards of legality to animals?
Why not apply that standard everywhere? They don't consent to being displaced from their homes, slaughtered, and eaten. Is that animal cruelty too?
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3. Incest is illegal under state, not federal laws. As gross as it is, I have no problem with it being legal as long as the rules of consent are governed. However, the reason incest is often illegal in most states is that when incest does happen, it is NOT consensual the vast majority of the time.
So the reasoning for the state law's creation doesn't apply when there is consent yet the law still applies?
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MStant1
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| re: Libertarians: should we be free to commit incest/bestiality? (Posted on 3/13/13 at 4:29 pm to theunknownknight)
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In other words, in public, we would have no real freedom.
No such thing in a Libertarian world. 
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theunknownknight
LSU Fan
Baton Rouge
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| re: Libertarians: should we be free to commit incest/bestiality? (Posted on 3/13/13 at 4:33 pm to MStant1)
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No such thing in a Libertarian world.
I guess I should say whilst interacting with others
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MStant1
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| re: Libertarians: should we be free to commit incest/bestiality? (Posted on 3/13/13 at 4:41 pm to theunknownknight)
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I guess I should say whilst interacting with others
You would be interacting on private land with the owner's permission.
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NC_Tigah
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| re: Libertarians: should we be free to commit incest/bestiality? (Posted on 3/13/13 at 4:56 pm to LSURussian)
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NC_, could you please edit out my email address from your post where you quoted me? Thanks!
didn't even notice i'd included it 
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LSURussian
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Baton Rouge
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| re: Libertarians: should we be free to commit incest/bestiality? (Posted on 3/13/13 at 5:01 pm to NC_Tigah)
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Fat Bastard 
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| re: Libertarians: should we be free to commit incest/bestiality? (Posted on 3/13/13 at 5:09 pm to LSURussian)
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LSURussian
what email? this one?
ok i removed it. you lucky.
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theunknownknight
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Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
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| re: Libertarians: should we be free to commit incest/bestiality? (Posted on 3/13/13 at 5:09 pm to MStant1)
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You would be interacting on private land with the owner's permission.
If you were on their private land by permission and there is no public land...then you'd have to get permission to go everywhere for anything. Seems like a hassle.
How free would we really be again?
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badlands 
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| re: Libertarians: should we be free to commit incest/bestiality? (Posted on 3/13/13 at 5:13 pm to theunknownknight)
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theunknownknight
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theunknownknight
LSU Fan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
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| re: Libertarians: should we be free to commit incest/bestiality? (Posted on 3/13/13 at 5:15 pm to badlands)
u mad bro?
can't take the heat of a few simple questions?
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cwill
New Orleans Saints Fan
Member since Jan 2005
19204 posts
| re: Libertarians: should we be free to commit incest/bestiality? (Posted on 3/13/13 at 5:29 pm to LSURussian)
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Wanna make a friendly bet? I have his post bookmarked.
How about a self-ban bet?
Why don't you just link the post and prove your point...why would you suffer bannage or stern words for simply linking to the factual archived post....perhaps its because the post doesn't actually say what you claim?
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LSURussian
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| re: Libertarians: should we be free to commit incest/bestiality? (Posted on 3/13/13 at 5:37 pm to cwill)
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Why don't you just link the post and prove your point...why would you suffer bannage or stern words for simply linking to the factual archived post
I sent the link to a couple of posters who emailed me asking me for it.
So, do you want to bet or not? 30 day self ban?
Eta: I'm about to leave to go to the baseball game. Either agree to the bet or slink away and stfu.
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bradwieser
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| re: Libertarians: should we be free to commit incest/bestiality? (Posted on 3/13/13 at 5:44 pm to theunknownknight)
Yes and yes.
Incest would simply have to be consensual.
Beastiality would simply have to be consented to by the aninals owner.
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Powerman
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Corpus Christi, TX
Member since Jan 2004
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| re: Libertarians: should we be free to commit incest/bestiality? (Posted on 3/13/13 at 5:52 pm to theunknownknight)
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Assuming parties in both cases are willing...like a REALLY lovable and obedient lab?
can't be called bestiality without having the best amirite?
But seriously, at what point do you become uncomfortable with freedom?
The thing I don't get is the following: if there is some freak out there that has sex with his pets, he is deluded enough to do it whether it is illegal or not.
So the question comes to you think that people should be prosecuted for that. I suppose it would probably fall under cruelty to animals for most libertarians so it's a non issue.
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theunknownknight
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Baton Rouge
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| re: Libertarians: should we be free to commit incest/bestiality? (Posted on 3/13/13 at 5:59 pm to Powerman)
that's reasonable
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Powerman
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Corpus Christi, TX
Member since Jan 2004
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| re: Libertarians: should we be free to commit incest/bestiality? (Posted on 3/13/13 at 6:01 pm to theunknownknight)
Libertarian doesn't mean no laws at all
Just limit those laws as much as possible and focus on protection of property and civil liberties.
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Zach
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| re: Libertarians: should we be free to commit incest/bestiality? (Posted on 3/13/13 at 6:03 pm to theunknownknight)
Damn. You people have this many pages of posts about bestiality and no cute puppy pics?
Here ya go...
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theunknownknight
LSU Fan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
22589 posts
| re: Libertarians: should we be free to commit incest/bestiality? (Posted on 3/13/13 at 6:06 pm to Zach)
would smash
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RCDfan1950
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United States
Member since Feb 2007
6903 posts
| re: Libertarians: should we be free to commit incest/bestiality? (Posted on 3/13/13 at 7:03 pm to theunknownknight)
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How do we know they aren't? What if a cat purrs while you are going to town? What if Lassie likes licking your balls?
Gee whiz...the high status of this forum just took a hit!
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Gmorgan4982
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| re: Libertarians: should we be free to commit incest/bestiality? (Posted on 3/13/13 at 7:25 pm to theunknownknight)
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would smash
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