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Zach
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re: What should be the federal government's role in funding research?


Do you really want to site hippie non profits?
Your source:

"We envision a network of vibrant local economies and caring communities that are based on renewable resources and clean, efficient practices and that lead to a healthy environment, rewarding employment, and a high quality of life."






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MrCarton
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re: What should be the federal government's role in funding research?


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The government doesn't provide demand when they give grants for research.


It creates the demand when it gives out grants. If I said provide instead of create, apologies for the confusion.

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I wanted you to expand on your thought to see where you were going with this.


I guess in am pretty cut and dry. I have faith in the human drive to explore, create, profit, and otherwise succeed.

I think we are better without the fed gov deciding what is important to us.









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VOR
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re: What should be the federal government's role in funding research?


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Do you really want to site hippie non profits?
Your source:

"We envision a network of vibrant local economies and caring communities that are based on renewable resources and clean, efficient practices and that lead to a healthy environment, rewarding employment, and a high quality of life."


The cited "source" is the article. Not some nonprofit corporation upon whose board the author happens serve. What does that have to do with anything mentioned in the article?






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MrCarton
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re: What should be the federal government's role in funding research?


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Privately funded research is typically far too narrow and focused to have made some of our more important discoveries.



That is what you should expect when the competition (government) can use other people's money to mitigate risk.

What is the incentive to venture too far from the nipple?






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Zach
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re: What should be the federal government's role in funding research?


Hey, grammar boy. The reason I use site is because in debate flow shorthand 's' = site. 'c' is already taken. It means 'contention.' I haven't been able to break the habit. IRL I write short hand flow.
But since you're a stickler...this is you:

"the author happens serve."

Now, back to the querstion. The author is a hippie. He works for a hippie source. What do you not understand about that?






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VOR
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re: What should be the federal government's role in funding research?


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What is the incentive to venture too far from the nipple?


You sort of have it backwards. Corporations will research that which benefits them, and rightly so. That leaves a lot of research that would go unfunded because it is unclear what the economic payoff (incentive) may be.






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MrCarton
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re: What should be the federal government's role in funding research?


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You sort of have it backwards. Corporations will research that which benefits them, and rightly so. That leaves a lot of research that would go unfunded because it is unclear what the economic payoff (incentive) may be.


Well that's the difference in our philosophies.

IMO free market Competition would force exploration of unique fields of study. Research would be more diversely distributed, as opposed to clumping around grant programs.







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Powerman
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re: What should be the federal government's role in funding research?


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Your source:

Says the guy that starts threads based on what he heard Rush say...






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Powerman
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re: What should be the federal government's role in funding research?


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IMO free market Competition would force exploration of unique fields of study.

Not when you have shareholders to please

Private research isn't comprehensive enough because each entity is only looking at things that pertain to their market






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MrCarton
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re: What should be the federal government's role in funding research?


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Not when you have shareholders to please

Private research isn't comprehensive enough because each entity is only looking at things that pertain to their market



We are talking in circles here.

How are shareholders worse than government officials?






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VOR
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re: What should be the federal government's role in funding research?


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How are shareholders worse than government officials?


Because most shareholders only know if their stock increases in value, decreases in value, or pays dividends. In most cases they know exactly dick about innards of the corporation.

"Government officials" as you call either serve on or rely on peer panels to review and approve research grants.






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SlowFlowPro
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re: What should be the federal government's role in funding research?


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Corporations will research that which benefits them, and rightly so.

actually, a better way to put it is that companies will research that which benefits you, me, and all other consumers

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That leaves a lot of research that would go unfunded because it is unclear what the economic payoff (incentive) may be.

a. you're forgetting universities

b. what subjects, outside of universities, are you discussing?

c. and?

and i understand universities, especially public ones, get money from the feds. in an ideal world there would be many fewer universities, and as a bonus, the research academics would do would be meaningful and not so watered down, due to the value of each position increasing due to scarcity






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MrCarton
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re: What should be the federal government's role in funding research?


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Government officials" as you call either serve on or rely on peer panels to review and approve research grants.



This is a form of corporatism.







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SlowFlowPro
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re: What should be the federal government's role in funding research?


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Privately funded research is typically far too narrow and focused to have made some of our more important discoveries.

Example:

LINK

just because the fed dominates the grant market doesn't mean that a success that occurred with federal dollars has anything to do with the federal government. from the article:

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Proponents cite successful government investment for the Internet and other important technologies.

Last week, proponents of government-sponsored research chalked up a major new win: the ENCODE Project, a major decade-long investigation into human genetics.

why would private industry not investigate/invest in these 2 areas? why do we need government in either?

the article doesn't even show why we needed government. it's argument is this:

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Rarely can research like this be financed entirely with private sector resources.The amount of time and money required would exhaust all but the largest companies.


as if the "largest companies" investing in, and developing this research is a bad thing

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Because this type of research involves basic science, no one can predict at the start what commercial products are likely to emerge. As a result, this type of research can rarely survive the typical corporate investment review. Basic research like this usually gets squeezed out by small, short-term projects that promise an incremental improvement or patent extension to an existing product line.

this is a paragraph of lies, bullshite, and mythology

you think google's self-driving cars is a short-term project?






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VOR
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re: What should be the federal government's role in funding research?


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actually, a better way to put it is that companies will research that which benefits you, me, and all other consumers


Sometimes yes. Sometimes no. Dude, don't ever talk about unicorns and rainbows again if referring to liberals.

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a. you're forgetting universities


Not in the least.

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b. what subjects, outside of universities, are you discussing?

c. and?



I'm really not sure what you're getting at.

Carnegie Institute? Fulbright Academy? Non-profit research foundations such as those?






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SlowFlowPro
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re: What should be the federal government's role in funding research?


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. Dude, don't ever talk about unicorns and rainbows again if referring to liberals.

if it doesn't benefit consumers, they won't buy the products, and it will be a failure.

companies serve consumers. they make our lives better with products, and we pay them for these life-bettering products

if they didn't, why would we?

it's not about unicorns, it's about reality







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VOR
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re: What should be the federal government's role in funding research?


so if i'm leaving my house to take care of some errands, does that mean i am defaulting the discussion to you? because i'm on my way out the door.





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MrCarton
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re: What should be the federal government's role in funding research?


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so if i'm leaving my house to take care of some errands, does that mean i am defaulting the discussion to you? because i'm on my way out the door.



No excuses VOR!






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SlowFlowPro
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re: What should be the federal government's role in funding research?


i'll make a separate thread for that and bump the one about harvard next time i see you





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MrCarton
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re: What should be the federal government's role in funding research?


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Private research isn't comprehensive enough because each entity is only looking at things that pertain to their market


If the markets open, then so will the approach to those markets.






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