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Rand Paul’s Interesting Advantage

By Jonah Goldberg

Like a lot of folks, including even Jen Rubin, I was impressed with Rand Paul’s recent appearance on Fox News Sunday. And, in general, he’s been a much more formidable politician than your average rookie Senator (and certainly a better politician than his father). I think Rubin’s summary of his strengths is pretty good. But there’s something else about the guy that works to his advantage.

It is natural to assume that there’s more to politicians than what they want you to see when they’re talking on TV. In America, there’s an ingrained (and for the most part healthy) tendency to assume that politicians have a more ambitious agenda than the focus-grouped porridge they offer in public. For decades, this suspicion worked against Democrats in national politics. Alas, in recent years this phenomenon has been more of a disadvantage for Republicans. Obviously, a lot of this has to do with media spin. For instance, George W. Bush, a big government conservative in many areas of domestic policy, was nonetheless seen as some kind of crazy “market fundamentalist.” But at least Bush got won elections.

Many of the Republican contenders in 2008 and 2012 lent themselves to the suspicion or the spin that what they really wanted to do was “out of the mainstream.” Whatever Rick Santorum’s true intentions, there’s something about the guy that scares a lot of people. Some of this is obviously unavoidable, given the paranoid style in progressive politics these days. Pretty much anything Republicans say or do lends itself to being labeled “extreme.” Oppose forcing the religious to pay for abortifacients? You’re an extremist. Heck, the allegedly objective press these days seems to think Republican motivations for investigating Benghazi are bigger news — and a bigger scandal — than the stonewalling, obfuscations, misdirection and incompetence on display in the Obama administration.

But I digress. Back to Rand Paul. He’s obviously moderating his image — successfully. He seems reasonable, calm and thoughtful. But he leaves room for the suspicion that there’s a more aggressive agenda behind the facade. But that agenda is less scary. Whereas the typical Republican often talks in a way that fuels (unwarranted) fears of theocracy and the Handmaid’s Tale, there’s something about the way Rand Paul talks that fuels the suspicion he’d actually be much more libertarian than he lets on. Of course, that suspicion is one reason why conservative hawks distrust him so much and leftwing doves give him so much of a pass. But when it comes to domestic policy, he gives the impression that if he actually got his hands on the levers of power he’d just leave us alone.

Because his rise fuels a narrative the media loves — civil war on the right — Paul’s libertarianism will be treated as charming and harmless for a while more. The fact that the left likes his foreign policy dovishness and the “neocons” don’t also makes him a useful foil for some liberals. But you can be sure that if he got real power and influence within the party or if he were the actual GOP nominee, his charming libertarianism would instantaneously terrify a lot of people. But for now, it all works for him.

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Rand Paul would lose 1964 style.

Remember, it is so easy to portray these people to be scary, dangerous, and radical. Look for "daisy" ads, and daily rex threads accusing Paul of being racist.

This country has a totally new philosophy now, much more European. Democrats have done a hell of a job making government out to be a good and desirable thing.






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This isn't 1964, though. When Goldwater ran back then, the federal welfare state just began and we were in the middle of a cold water. The media was much less diverse as well, and the federal debt was very small. Goldwater didn't even campaigned like normal candidates (remember the great LBJ-Goldwater debate? Yeah, me neither). He played the long game and won in a culmination of Reagan 1980.

Salon tries divide and conquer:

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This isn't 1964, though.
You're right, the demagoguery and racial politics has gotten far worse.






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IMO, Rand is a libertarian
No.

Voted for the anti-Occupy bill making First amendment protests of anyone, including foreign heads of state who are protected by the Secret Service guilty of a felony.

Laid down on the RNC rules committee while they railroaded through the new rules, and endorsed someone running against his own family member.

Got behind the NDAA when Diane Feinstein introduced an amendment full of holes that makes it appear citizens are safe from military detention but does nothing

He voted for sanctions with Iran. An act of war according to his own father.

"An attack on Israel is an attack on the united states."

Imprisoning people who attend radical speech rallies.

Anti-gay-marriage (even as far as to change the constitution to prevent it)

Opposed to gays in the military

Supported tax breaks for various energy companies

Supported Romney

Justin Amash is the only Republican left worth voting for.






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Remember, it is so easy to portray these people to be scary, dangerous, and radical. Look for "daisy" ads, and daily rex threads accusing Paul of being racist.


Rand is a lot more sly than his father.. He's also not as hard-lined in his views. He's a lot more political, and can manipulate emotions really well. He has an intimidating confidence about him during interviews, and it shows.

Rand would have more mass appeal than his father. I'd throw a vote his way. He's not where I want to be, but it's definitely a step in the right direction.






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Mr. Cool Strikes Again............





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NPR shows some love....

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LINK

A history piece on GOP and race.






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JEAUXBLEAUX
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I don't what I dislike more: WaPo, POTUS or Rand Paul.

1) say real words

2) He is mired in the fifties and anti Civil Rights Act






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2) He is mired in the fifties and anti Civil Rights Act


Orly?






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JEAUXBLEAUX
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Orly is the airport in Paris. He came out against the Civil Rights Act. I don't care about his disdain for big government as the reason why. Fact is he did.





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Rand Paul has no chance of winning in 2016.

Just thought I'd let y'all know.






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He came out against the Civil Rights Act.
You mean like any sane person would? OH NO!!!






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JEAUXBLEAUX
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You are against the Civil Rights Act? Why? and no I don't know it line by line.





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Gmorgan4982
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Because it's a government decree.





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I don't care about his disdain for big government.


You know how I know you're FOS?






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JEAUXBLEAUX
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So matter what it says because it's a gov decree it's wrong. I respect that thought. Consistent with your other posts.





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it's a gov decree it's wrong.
Pretty much






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JEAUXBLEAUX
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Where were you when we were protesting the draft? Kidding before your time I guess.


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