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PaddlingTiger
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does anyone actually suspect that the Pope is guilty of covering up or sex abuse himself.


Yes. Look up Peter Huellermann and Rembert Weakland. We have very good reason to believe that the Pope is a criminal who covered up the molestation and rape of young boys by Catholic priests.






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Godfather1
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Or he's just a half blind 85 year old with failing health and a pacemaker that probably wouldn't survive a lot of travel. Could be that.


Likely the real explanation.

What IP Freely/BamaScoop and all the other anti-Catholics want it to be notwithstanding, of course.






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asurob1
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Catholic church structure is more like the military than a business. By your logic, the President should be held responsible or even prosecuted for the actions of soldiers during war. So when does Obama go on trial for Manning, Hasan, or any other soldier that is prosecuted during his administration?


No, by my logic the pope is the Captain of his ship the SS Vatican. If some no rate sailor puts it on the rocks.

Guess who is out of a job...the Captain....just like any CEO when some low level employee screws up.

To be clear...we are talking about gigantic screw ups here.

(unless you are going to devalue the lives of those affected).






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Godfather1
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By your logic, the President should be held responsible or even prosecuted for the actions of soldiers during war. So when does Obama go on trial for Manning, Hasan, or any other soldier that is prosecuted during his administration?


You don't get it.

For he and his ilk, that only applies when the President's name is Bush, and fraternity style pranks are played at places like Abu Ghraib.






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Rickety Cricket
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Il Papa enjoys some eye candy, yum-yum.







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GRTiger
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No, by my logic the pope is the Captain of his ship the SS Vatican. If some no rate sailor puts it on the rocks.



What an absolutely terrible analogy. Did You hurt your spine on that one?

By your logic, the pilot of the plane that landed in the Hudson river should be prosecuted for allowing a flock of geese to enter his flying space and engine.






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Fat Bastard
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Well, if I were an 80+ y/o ex-Pope in failing health....I'd probably just hang out in the Vatican, also.



not too hard to figure out is it?






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Fat Bastard
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What IP Freely/BamaScoop and all the other anti-Catholics want it to be notwithstanding, of course.



Those two jabromis are a good laugh. nothing more.

Most catholics I know are glad things are being done and actions being taken(defrocking among other things) on those priests who have done these types of things. Who wouldn't?

However, any updates on these things? As they are never discussed on television it seems. Maybe IB freeman and bamascoop can inform us. ALthough i'll bet now they will claim to be atheists and also are of no relation to teachers either or boy scouts.


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catholictigerfan
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He's the boss. Holy crap he "is" responsible for the people under him just like any CEO who falls on his sword for something some dumb arse marketing guy does.


the president and soilders is a better analogy

The Catholic Church teaches something called The Principle of Subsidiarity. Pretty much the larger and more complex parts of a company government military outfit and so on and so forth shouldn't do something that can be done by a lower and less complex level of an orginization.

for example a CO is responsible for the workings of his company in a fight, the blame falls on the CO if they are irresponsible in their fighting and not the captain of that CO.

so just because some private does some horrible crime and his CO covers it up doesn't also make the Captain guilty the General and the 5 star General of the Army guilty by association.

In the Church the Pope is like the 5 Star General, Captins like Bishops and COs like Parish priests. IF a CO does something bad its the Captains Responsibility to make sure it is punished. The PRivate the CO the Captain probably his General.

The Church is structured in the same way. The Lay Faithful are at the bottom of the hierarchy, the preists above that, followed by the Bishop, followed by Arch Bishops, followed by Cardinals and the Top guy is the Pope.

Pope would only be guilty of something if something illegal happened in Rome and he did nothing about it, or if a bishop seek his advice and he gave illegal advice.

Other then that what happens in a diocese falls on the responsibility of a bishop not the pope.



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catholictigerfan
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one other thing this The Principle of Subsidiarity makes our hierarchy fair and just. Because everyone from the Faithful Sunday Mass goer to the Pope have an important role in the Church and the workings of the church, they just all have different roles and responsibilities. Also no priest will ever make decisions his parishioners can make, the bishop will never make decisions his priests can make, and the pope will never make decisions the bishops make.

that is why the Pope never approves or disapprove an ordination, but does approve or disapprove a bishop ordination.






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catholictigerfan
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Peter Huellermann


it was the vicor generals fault never told the Cardinal (bishop of Munich) aka Pope Ben, so how could he be criminally repsonbile if he never was aware of it?

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Rembert Weakland.


According to Weakland himself he says Benedict wasn't at fault.







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PaddlingTiger
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According to Weakland himself he says Benedict wasn't at fault.


Child rapers can't be trusted...that should be obvious!






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catholictigerfan
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Child rapers can't be trusted...that should be obvious!


see the story I read was that he wasn't that weakland was the one abusing rather, he was accusing the vatican for working to slow on a case dealing with a priest who had sexually abused boys. Weakland was the Bishop of Milwaukee

maybe I'm reading the wrong source direct me to one won't you.



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PaddlingTiger
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Weakland is the one who embezzled money from the church to pay off someone who was accusing him of sexual assault (honestly, I don't remember the age of the accuser). Not a great source to say the least. He also had reported an abusive priest to the Ratzinger and that priest ended up being allowed to avoid any punishment for his crimes.

There are at plenty of reasons to question and even indict the Pope for his role in the sex abuse scandal.






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catholictigerfan
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no source.

plus why should a Cardinal in Vatican be held responsible for something a Bishop or a Priest did in Wisconsin, when the Cardinal has NO AUTHORITY OVER HIM.

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He also had reported an abusive priest to the Ratzinger and that priest ended up being allowed to avoid any punishment for his crimes.


Weakland is the one who accused the pope for not acting. The same guy who embezzeled money, so why should we listen to him.






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Brosef Stalin
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This will be about as successful as when some liberals were talking about charging Bush with war crimes.





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Powerman
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Or he's just a half blind 85 year old with failing health and a pacemaker that probably wouldn't survive a lot of travel.
Could be that.



They didn't know he was old when they elected him?






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PaddlingTiger
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Weakland is the one who accused the pope for not acting. The same guy who embezzeled money, so why should we listen to him.


So Weakland accuses Ratzinger of protecting a rapist priest, then abruptly retracts that accusation, then is found out to have embezzeled money from the church to pay off his own accuser, and then retires, no charges are filed and the Catholic church continues to pay his living expenses...nothing suspicious there!!!






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catholictigerfan
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They didn't know he was old when they elected him?



this is actually part of the reason he was elected, after the third longest papacy in Church history they wanted a Pope who wouldn't last as long, as a way to not overwhelm the Church. This short papacy was expected. I think he was between 75 and 77 when elected, that is when Bishops retire, so he was old. By comparison JPII was 58 when he was elected pope. JPII was 85 when he died about the same age as Benedict, so a under 10 year papacy was expected.






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catholictigerfan
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So Weakland accuses Ratzinger of protecting a rapist priest, then abruptly retracts that accusation, then is found out to have embezzeled money from the church to pay off his own accuser, and then retires, no charges are filed and the Catholic church continues to pay his living expenses...nothing suspicious there!!!



What are you talking about?

First weakland is responsible for the priest in his diocese not Ratzinger. Ratzinger wouldn't be responsible for his embezzling of money or his continued of pay for the Bishop. Ratzingers decision was nothing illegal it has to do with cannon law and not civil law. So I don't see how Ratzinger could be criminally responsible for his inaction, just maybe bad church policy.

one other thing, you are dropping accusations without backing them up with anything

and I have found sources that do back up what I say yes I haven't posted them but while this one has bias I still post it for your consideration

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