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Fox Mulder 
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| re: Are the Rosenberg executions the biggest miscarriage of justice in post WW2 US (Posted on 2/17/13 at 4:39 pm to Ace Midnight)
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Ethel - meh - I have some questions, but I would have voted to convict based on the evidence available both then and now. "Beyond a reasonable doubt" is not quite the same as "beyond all doubt".
The evidence available at the time was solely witness testimony that was coerced by the prosecution. Testify or die.
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I bet you don't think the attacks on Hiroshima or Nagasaki were in accordance with international law, do you?)
You'd be wrong.
I think Julius deserved prison time. I wouldn't argue with a death sentence had he been given a fair trial. The US government knowingly sent an innocent Ethel Rosenberg to her death. The prosecutor knew she was not guilty but used her as leverage against Julius who would not cooperate.
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Fox Mulder
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| re: Are the Rosenberg executions the biggest miscarriage of justice in post WW2 US (Posted on 2/17/13 at 4:43 pm to CarrolltonTiger)
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You are the one that accused me of anti-semitism for spelling their last name the same way you did.
Wow. I bolded the berg to emphasize they were Jewish. 
How would you be anti Semitic for spelling their name correctly?
You being crazy
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Fox Mulder
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| re: Are the Rosenberg executions the biggest miscarriage of justice in post WW2 US (Posted on 2/17/13 at 4:48 pm to redandright)
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even if she was a committed Fellow Traveler
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She wasn't a fellow traveller, she was an active communist. A fellow traveller is one sympatheitc who assists but is not a member of the organizaton.
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We don't have any laws making communism a capital offense.
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That's not why they were executed
Duh. There have been 2 contentions in this thread that Ethel deserved to die merely for being a communist.
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blueboy 
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| re: Are the Rosenberg executions the biggest miscarriage of justice in post WW2 US (Posted on 2/17/13 at 4:59 pm to Fox Mulder)
Here you go, Sparky.
Gotta love the synopsis. quote:
Fifty years after the execution of Julius and Ethel Rosenberg, their granddaughter, Ivy Meeropol, reflects on their lives, principles, and ultimate sacrifice.
Those noble crusaders.
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CarrolltonTiger
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| re: Are the Rosenberg executions the biggest miscarriage of justice in post WW2 US (Posted on 2/17/13 at 5:00 pm to Fox Mulder)
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I bolded the berg to emphasize they were Jewish.
Why would you do that? What is the relevance to anyone besides yourself? And why is that funny?
I remain convinced you are an idiot.
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Fox Mulder
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| re: Are the Rosenberg executions the biggest miscarriage of justice in post WW2 US (Posted on 2/17/13 at 5:01 pm to blueboy)
I would never paint Julius or Ethel as a martyr. I do believe Ethel was murdered by the government. I don't think that makes me a liberal.
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CarrolltonTiger
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| re: Are the Rosenberg executions the biggest miscarriage of justice in post WW2 US (Posted on 2/17/13 at 5:03 pm to Fox Mulder)
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I don't think that makes me a liberal.
Has anyone accused you of being a liberal? Idiot =/= liberal.
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Fox Mulder
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| re: Are the Rosenberg executions the biggest miscarriage of justice in post WW2 US (Posted on 2/17/13 at 5:03 pm to CarrolltonTiger)
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I remain convinced you are an idiot.
Says the guy who needs a step by step breakdown of how and why he is being called anti Semitic, which btw I do not believe you are because you're too stupid to even pick up on it.
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Fox Mulder
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| re: Are the Rosenberg executions the biggest miscarriage of justice in post WW2 US (Posted on 2/17/13 at 5:04 pm to CarrolltonTiger)
U mad, it's ok. You have proven to be certifiably stupid. And I was speaking to him because I was under the impression he might have the wrong idea about what I'm saying based on the article he linked.
You give me no hope for the GP. You're all incurably stupid.
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CarrolltonTiger
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| re: Are the Rosenberg executions the biggest miscarriage of justice in post WW2 US (Posted on 2/17/13 at 5:06 pm to Fox Mulder)
Blueboy is rather coherent, you are the idiot in this thread.
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Ace Midnight
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| re: Are the Rosenberg executions the biggest miscarriage of justice in post WW2 US (Posted on 2/17/13 at 5:08 pm to Fox Mulder)
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I would never paint Julius or Ethel as a martyr. I do believe Ethel was murdered by the government. I don't think that makes me a liberal.
I have some questions then:
Yes or No
1. Do you think it would have been better if the atomic bomb had never been developed?
2. Once developed, do you think it would have been better if the United States had remained the only nuclear power for at least 10 years, rather than 4?
3. Do you believe that Julius Rosenberg delivered classified information, illegally, to the Soviet Union during a time of declared war?
4. Do you believe that had Julius and Ethel Rosenberg pled guilty, they would have been spared the death penalty?
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Fox Mulder
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| re: Are the Rosenberg executions the biggest miscarriage of justice in post WW2 US (Posted on 2/17/13 at 5:21 pm to Ace Midnight)
Get back to you after I go to rouses
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| re: Are the Rosenberg executions the biggest miscarriage of justice in post WW2 US (Posted on 2/17/13 at 5:21 pm to Fox Mulder)
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They might as well have been executed upon arrest.
To far Fox 
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blueboy
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| re: Are the Rosenberg executions the biggest miscarriage of justice in post WW2 US (Posted on 2/17/13 at 5:26 pm to Fox Mulder)
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You're all incurably stupid.
Thanks a bunch, but I wasn't presuming that you're a liberal or a communist, just that IMDB seems to be a bit sympathetic. Of course, you could argue that they aren't sympathetic to the Rosenberg's cause, but that they're just acknowledging the fact that the Rosenbergs were willing to pay the ultimate price for it.
There you go. I gave you a counter-argument. I'm a stand-up guy like that.
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ClientNumber9
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| re: Are the Rosenberg executions the biggest miscarriage of justice in post WW2 US (Posted on 2/17/13 at 5:31 pm to Fox Mulder)
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I think Julius deserved prison time. I wouldn't argue with a death sentence had he been given a fair trial.
Why do you keep saying this? Treason is the only federal crime mentioned in the United States. And it's punishable by death. Here's the direct quote from Article III of the Constitution:
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Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
Did they adhere to our enemies? Yes. Did they give aid and comfort to our enemies? Yes. Could the information surrendered by the Rosenberg family cause American deaths? Yes.
They got what the Constitution outlined. Case closed.
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lsu13lsu
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| re: Are the Rosenberg executions the biggest miscarriage of justice in post WW2 US (Posted on 2/17/13 at 5:57 pm to Fox Mulder)
Fox Mulder, I am not sure what my favorite part about your argument is:
All the people you trust in this case: former KGB and russian insiders and Morton Sobell/Rosenbergs/Greenblatts
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That you think the treason was less treasonous bc they were not providing great information.
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| re: Are the Rosenberg executions the biggest miscarriage of justice in post WW2 US (Posted on 2/17/13 at 5:59 pm to Fox Mulder)
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I do believe Ethel was murdered by the government.
Ethel had ample opportunity to save her skin. Her silence led the government to believe she was as involved as her husband.
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lsu13lsu
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| re: Are the Rosenberg executions the biggest miscarriage of justice in post WW2 US (Posted on 2/17/13 at 6:01 pm to ClientNumber9)
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They got what the Constitution outlined. Case closed.
That is my entire point. Who cares if the information was great which it has been said the atomic program info wasn't but other info was. Who cares if other spies got off without death (which they did only by cooperating). They commited treason however successful or unsuccessful it was doesn't matter. And to boot they didn't cooperate when given the opportunity.
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| re: Are the Rosenberg executions the biggest miscarriage of justice in post WW2 US (Posted on 2/17/13 at 6:04 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!)
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We don't have any laws making communism a capital offense.
We need an amendment.
Why? Communism =/= Treason.
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CarrolltonTiger
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| re: Are the Rosenberg executions the biggest miscarriage of justice in post WW2 US (Posted on 2/17/13 at 6:09 pm to trackfan)
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Why? Communism =/= Treason.
We do have laws against calling for or engaging in the violent over throw of our government, if you took the Soviets at there word that could arguably have been the plan, and when you had an American Communist supporting the efforts of the Soviets, that argument could haave been approached with some good faith.
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